The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory

[lub0]

Irrelevant and inconsequential are 2 words that do not come into the context of that day in any way shape or form, it's easy for these conspiracy theorists to dehumanise this event and forget the amount of pain and suffering this day bought.

It is extremely "relevant" to know IF anyone planted explosive who, why and how they did it.
Again IF they did not only should their action have "consequences" but if we know who did plant them, it's a piece in a puzzle to finding out everything else.

This isn't a bomb being planted in a public cafe or a popular cinema complex, do you honestly think any independant terrorist group, and by the way these don't actually exist because all major terrorist groups with any sort of real power are all secretly government-sponsored. Do you really think they could of pulled off such an elaborate attack without complicit involement and authorization of some of the highest powers of the country it happend in. Of course not, so then the attention should be immediately be focused on the government and security services of the country it happened in, and by extension the controlling banking families that ultimately control everything.

 

[cbr6fs]

This isn't a bomb being planted in a public cafe or a popular cinema complex, do you honestly think any independant terrorist group, and by the way these don't actually exist because all major terrorist groups with any sort of real power are all secretly government-sponsored. Do you really think they could of pulled off such an elaborate attack without complicit involement and authorization of some of the highest powers of the country it happend in. Of course not, so then the attention should be immediately be focused on the government and security services of the country it happened in, and by extension the controlling banking families that ultimately control everything.

So you believe the IRA were/are sponsored by the British and/or Irish government?


So your saying the same security services that recently got rumbled in Colombia over a prostitution scandal, the same CIA that leaked the name and details of one of it's active operatives in the CIA leak scandal in 2003, all conspired and stayed quiet about plotting, setting up and implementing a scheme that murdered 3000 people in one day many of which were USA citizens?

Don't you think your paying a bit too much credence to these organisations and governments?
It's hardly air tight and scandal free we're talking here, you'd think if the Bush's had THAT sort of power they'd at least have planted some WMD's in Iraq and found a direct link from Saddam to Al-Qaeda.

Out of curiosity, how many people do you believe were directly involved that day?
i'm talking about from planning, to demolition plans, to funding and physically hands on work.

 

[santaman2000]

One of the stories that circulated was that each floor of the WTC had been closed down for a few hours/days in the months prior to the attack for "maintenance".

You said they were "built in" just in case. That infers that they're in ALL scyscrapers from the moment of construction. That would mean that the construction crews would ALL know.

 

[santaman2000]

Dont need any cabling at all Rik, remote detonators...

You mean the kind of "remote" detonators that would go off prematurely from random radio transmissions on the right freq?

 

[rik_uk3]

The question of who physically planted the explosives in the tower is both irrelevent, inconsequential, and no offence but speaks volumes about the kind of fundamentally flawed frame of mind you are looking at this information with.

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Nobody planted any explosives, a plane flew into the building.

 

[rik_uk3]

This isn't a bomb being planted in a public cafe or a popular cinema complex, do you honestly think any independant terrorist group, and by the way these don't actually exist because all major terrorist groups with any sort of real power are all secretly government-sponsored. Do you really think they could of pulled off such an elaborate attack without complicit involement and authorization of some of the highest powers of the country it happend in. Of course not, so then the attention should be immediately be focused on the government and security services of the country it happened in, and by extension the controlling banking families that ultimately control everything.

This has to be a wind up, you really cannot believe that

If you do mean it.... unplug your TV its spying on you, keep off the internet they are tracking you, and move home asap because there're gonna getcha soon and hand you over the the lizzard aliens and you know what aliens do

 

[Peteo]

Somethings are not worth worrying about as you could spend your life looking and never find a thing, just another wasted life in my eyes

 

[santaman2000]

...Then of course there is flight 93, if there was a vast conspiracy involving missiles (Pentagon) and explosives were pre-installed in the WTC's and WTC7 then why didn't something happen to what was believed to be flight 93's target, the Whitehouse?

Surely you aren't suggesting the Whitehouse had explosive installed pre 9/11?...

The explosives in the Whitehouse didn't go off because of the interference (to the detonator signals) by the subspace communications with Stargate Command.

 

[nodd]

Like all good mysteries the butler did it.

 

[santaman2000]

This isn't a bomb being planted in a public cafe or a popular cinema complex

Ummm. Actually those are exactly some of the things that were in the building.

 

[Imagedude]

It is merely coincidence that the first 3 (and only) buildings to ever collapse within their own footprint were the Twin Towers and the WTC. There is no evidence that a Lizard Man Calapso Ray was responsible.

 

[cbr6fs]

The explosives in the Whitehouse didn't go off because of the interference (to the detonator signals) by the subspace communications with Stargate Command.

I think what annoys me is, i've looked at every video posted, read every report linked to, even before this thread i've watched countless 9/11 conspiracy vids and read many reports.
Still from my experience and from my point of view there was no explosive demolition conspiracy of the WTC's.


But because i've looked at all the evidence presented to me and formed an opinion different to a conspiracy theorists mine is a "wasted life"


Even IF there was a massive conspiracy to demolish the WTC's then surely it would have been a LOT easier to tailor the reports to say that there were explosive planted in the building, publish those findings and blame that on al-Qaeda and bin laden as well as the planes, rather than try a mass cover up of everything

 

[santaman2000]

I think what annoys me is, i've looked at every video posted, read every report linked to, even before this thread i've watched countless 9/11 conspiracy vids and read many reports.
Still from my experience and from my point of view there was no explosive demolition conspiracy of the WTC's.


But because i've looked at all the evidence presented to me and formed an opinion different to a conspiracy theorists mine is a "wasted life"


Even IF there was a massive conspiracy to demolish the WTC's then surely it would have been a LOT easier to tailor the reports to say that there were explosive planted in the building, publish those findings and blame that on al-Qaeda and bin laden as well as the planes, rather than try a mass cover up of everything

+1. Also +1 on your earlier posts regarding why would they go to the trouble of a controlled collapse when toppling over would have been created more havoc? And just what motive for something so massive?

 

[rik_uk3]

It is merely coincidence that the first 3 (and only) buildings to ever collapse within their own footprint were the Twin Towers and the WTC. There is no evidence that a Lizard Man Calapso Ray was responsible.

Rob, the lizard men run everything!

 

[Imagedude]

Even IF there was a massive conspiracy to demolish the WTC's then surely it would have been a LOT easier to tailor the reports to say that there were explosive planted in the building, publish those findings and blame that on al-Qaeda and bin laden as well as the planes, rather than try a mass cover up of everything

Easier yes, but people would say it was the CIA not the jihadees. The plane crashes had many witnesses making it harder to blame Mossad/CIA.

 

[silentbob]

Like all good mysteries the butler did it.

Nah, it was Fred Dibnah. The only proof you need is that he died a couple of years later. Probably stabbed by a poisoned needle hidden in an umbrella by a CIA hit squad to silence him before he exposed the whole thing in his memoirs.

 

[Biker]

I think what annoys me is, i've looked at every video posted, read every report linked to, even before this thread i've watched countless 9/11 conspiracy vids and read many reports.
Still from my experience and from my point of view there was no explosive demolition conspiracy of the WTC's.

So you've watched the vids and read the reports and nowhere, in all that data, does anything strike you as just a little odd? Even a cursory glance at it ought to start bells ringing. Man, I wish I lived on your Utopian planet.

The inconsistancies are right there. NIST and FEMA presented reports about 9/11 that suspend laws of physics, suppress evidence, distort findings, disregard basic forensic procedure and the general public bought it because it was delivered by representatives of those in authority. But people with a bit more interest in these things and a lot less blind faith in the nanny state scratched their collective heads at the findings and had the nerve to put their hand up and ask for explainations.

For those who think 9/11 was as simple as 4 planes crashing into buildings and a fire which caused the collapse of a 49 storey skyscraper (WTC7) then you truly are a piece of work to so blindly accept such bare-faced lies and fabricated fiction.

Denial works both way, I choose the conspiracy tin foil cone hat wearers in this instance.

I think I've gone as far as I can with this. Thanks for your time and for your repsonses. Hopefully it's given some people reading this thread pause for thought about just is going on around us.

Catch ya later fella's, I'm off to look at the bright and shiney stuff now.

Aaron aka "Biker"

Just one closing vid for you

[video=youtube;SH9meDbrlP8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=SH9meDbrlP8#![/video]

 

[Urban X]

Yep, a case of the blind following the ones with the blindfolds Aaron, ah well each to their own mate.

Can 1000 architects and engineers be wrong? Hell yeah cause the NIST on behalf of the US government said so, "it was 'primarily' due to fires". Laughable. Honestly cracks me up that most of you believe what they say, I wish we had the lil laugh_side smiley here.

Can't afford anything shiny gonna go see if I can find me frog instead.


Si

 

[Huon]

Yep, a case of the blind following the ones with the blindfolds Aaron, ah well each to their own mate.

Can 1000 architects and engineers be wrong? Hell yeah cause the NIST on behalf of the US government said so, "it was 'primarily' due to fires". Laughable. Honestly cracks me up that most of you believe what they say, I wish we had the lil laugh_side smiley here.

Can't afford anything shiny gonna go see if I can find me frog instead.


Si

Hmmm.... You guys have spent several days trying to argue your case. The thread started with a Titanic conspiracy theory and grew until it linked every conspiracy going, added in international banking cartels and secret societies. At the end of all of that as far as I can see you are further than ever from making your case. I've still to find any links in this thread to sensible research or evidence supporting what you are saying. We constantly get pointed to videos on youtube and articles and photos on sites whose sole purpose is to argue conspiracy theories.

Rather than complaining that your audience is blind, misled, innocent and closed minded why don't you look to your own arguments. If you haven't convinced people it is because you haven't said or shown us anything convincing.

 

[Biker]

Rather than complaining that your audience is blind, misled, innocent and closed minded why don't you look to your own arguments. If you haven't convinced people it is because you haven't said or shown us anything convincing.

Oh brother!

Yeah you're right I did sorta touch the blue paper on my favourite list of conspiracy theories that started this thread trundling on. I can only say decide for yourself about whether you want to dimiss them or ponder them. I can only bring them to your attention. There is a TON of data out there both for and against, but to me the official story just stinks.

The last vid I posted sums it up for me. NIST did a whitewash job on the final report, so professional peers, who have nothing to gain other than trying to bring out the truth, got together and made a point of signing their names to say what an outrage this was. I'm not alone in these thoughts and I'm no one in the grand scheme of things, just someone who questions the official story about this.

Like I said above. Thanks for reading.