The Titanic sinking conspiracy theory

[HillBill]

One thing about 9/11 that not many realise is this.

The WTC had vaults below them, those vaults contained all of Kuwaits gold bullion and was one of the largest deposits in the world. Some say upto 300 billion. What is also known is that after the rubble was cleared, all the vaults were open and empty. The gold had vanished.

Puts a different twist on it, doesn't it.

Hypothetical scenario......

Someone wants to steal the gold that is there. How do you do it? Well a well funded group would have the resources to pull off an elaborate and well planned robbery.

So hypothetically speaking, crashing a couple of aircraft into the WTC would be a sure way to pull the guards away from the vaults. Distraction.

Send in a team when all is chaos, break into the vaults, and clear the gold.

Collapse the wtc to hide all evidence. No one would know for a long time that it was gone.

Obviously, months of planning and preperation would go into it, but it is certainly a plausible scenario.

 

[Corso]

And most if not all went on to live happy and healthy lives without any signs of cancer related illnesses. Come the nuclear war I'm gonna buy me a spacesuit. The radiation after a nuclear holocaust would be nothing to the stuff Van Allen uses to hold up his trousers.

tell me about it - look at the lead aprons radiographers use when they take your chest xray - the space suits in the science museum are a few paper thin layers of foil, 'advanced material' or not it would need to be dense - and therefore heavy these suits are neither

 

[rik_uk3]

tell me about it - look at the lead aprons radiographers use when they take your chest xray - the space suits in the science museum are a few paper thin layers of foil, 'advanced material' or not it would need to be dense - and therefore heavy these suits are neither

The suits and craft provided enough protection for the very short time the Van Allen belt was a threat, simple as that.

The towers were not bought down by a controlled explosion (see my vid link), do you have any idea of the amount of explosives needed and the accuracy of placing the charges would have been? No, I don't think you do.

 

[Andy BB]

hee hee - rocket tubes seen under a tarp at Lockerbie, with implications that the CIA shot it down!

This will be the first man-portable anti-aircraft rocket that not only can reach over thirty-thousand feet, but cause the impact site to explode outwards, mimicking an internal explosion.

Sorry guys, you're sounding sillier and sillier by the second...............................

 

[HillBill]

So, based on that, then you would agree that the bomb on the subway during the london bombings, actually came from underneath the train rather than from a suicide bomber inside, based on the fact that the floor was blown upwards into the train, rather than the metal being ripped outwards as it would with an internal explosion?

Not trying to bring another theory into it, just picking up on what you say ( which is correct btw) and applying it to another contentious issue

, but cause the impact site to explode outwards, mimicking an internal explosion.

Sorry guys, you're sounding sillier and sillier by the second...............................

 

[TeeDee]

One thing about 9/11 that not many realise is this.

The WTC had vaults below them, those vaults contained all of Kuwaits gold bullion and was one of the largest deposits in the world. Some say upto 300 billion. What is also known is that after the rubble was cleared, all the vaults were open and empty. The gold had vanished.

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Serious:- Any Links to this please?

< and tongue in cheek wasn't that the plot to Die Hard 3? >

 

[santaman2000]

...9-11:
Whether terrorist or Gov controlled flights (i'll leave that to you), those towers were ultimately brought down by controlled explosion. There is a wealth of evidence to support the controlled demolition. Think about it, in a tightly packed city, full of skyscrapers, there will be "controls" to enable agencies to "safely" bring down a building in the event of a disaster - to limit the damage caused to the surrounding ones. But there would be mass panic around the world if people found out that all their skyscrapers had cordite built into the structure...

You do realize that this theory adds 100s of thousands of people into the mix of those who are "in" on the secret. If this theory is true then all the construction workers n of every skyscraper in New York) are also involved in the conspiracy/cover-up.

 

[santaman2000]

One thing about 9/11 that not many realise is this.

The WTC had vaults below them, those vaults contained all of Kuwaits gold bullion and was one of the largest deposits in the world. Some say upto 300 billion. What is also known is that after the rubble was cleared, all the vaults were open and empty. The gold had vanished.

Puts a different twist on it, doesn't it.

Hypothetical scenario......

Someone wants to steal the gold that is there. How do you do it? Well a well funded group would have the resources to pull off an elaborate and well planned robbery.

So hypothetically speaking, crashing a couple of aircraft into the WTC would be a sure way to pull the guards away from the vaults. Distraction.

Send in a team when all is chaos, break into the vaults, and clear the gold.

Collapse the wtc to hide all evidence. No one would know for a long time that it was gone.

Obviously, months of planning and preperation would go into it, but it is certainly a plausible scenario.

The problem is that most people in the building who were away from the involved floors (the ones the plane initially hit) didn't panick or try to evecuate until it was too late. This would have included the guards (IF there was such a guarded stash) They simply ignored an accident (as they initially thought it to be) and fire dozens of floors above them until it was far too late.

 

[HillBill]

"One of the world's largest gold depositories was stored underneath the World Trade Center, owned by a group of commercial banks. The 1993 bomb detonated close by the vault held. Seven weeks after the September 11 attacks, $230 million in precious metals was removed from basement vaults of 4 WTC, which included 3,800 100-Troy-ounce registered gold bars and 30,000 1,000-ounce silver bars.[SUP][80]

Thats taken from the "other buildings" section on here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Trade_Center

Note it says that $220 million were removed from WTC 4 by the authorities. And that it says that the WTC one of the biggest gold depositories in the world?

Well WTC 4 was never hit, or collapsed or involved with 9/11. Plus $220 million is small scale as far as gold depositories go, yet the WTC was one of the biggest in the world. Well there are a couple of others in america worth billions if not trillions, and WTC was one of the biggest in the world? With 220 million worth? Under a small 9 storey building?

I'll try find more out, It was a few years since i read about it, the info was more freely available at the time. Now i'm struggling to find links from reputable places, but they were there. There were a lot of countries stored their gold under the WTC, kuwait was but one.[/SUP]

 

[HillBill]

One of the stories that circulated was that each floor of the WTC had been closed down for a few hours/days in the months prior to the attack for "maintenance".

You do realize that this theory adds 100s of thousands of people into the mix of those who are "in" on the secret. If this theory is true then all the construction workers n of every skyscraper in New York) are also involved in the conspiracy/cover-up.

 

[rik_uk3]

One of the stories that circulated was that each floor of the WTC had been closed down for a few hours/days in the months prior to the attack for "maintenance".

As you say Bill, 'Stories'. In reality it didn't happen. To wire up a building for demolition takes not only extremely detailed planning but the removal of building sections lots and lots and lots of cabling et al. Twin towers collapse was the direct result of a terrorist attack, its as simple as that.

 

[HillBill]

Dont need any cabling at all Rik, remote detonators and explosives in a few key areas on a building that size would do it.

Also the trade towers were specifically designed to withstand impact from aircraft larger than the ones that hit them. It was a key design feature due to the height of them.

Also the melting point of the steel used to build the WTC was nearly 1000c higher than the temperature aviation fuel can reach while burning. As i said, it was designed with such an event in mind.

As you say Bill, 'Stories'. In reality it didn't happen. To wire up a building for demolition takes not only extremely detailed planning but the removal of building sections lots and lots and lots of cabling et al. Twin towers collapse was the direct result of a terrorist attack, its as simple as that.

 

[sapper1]

The planes didn't bring the towers down.This is provable fact.We have all seen the films of them both standing for a long time after the planes hit.
So .if the planes didn't bring them down,what did?

 

[Huon]

The planes didn't bring the towers down.This is provable fact.We have all seen the films of them both standing for a long time after the planes hit.
So .if the planes didn't bring them down,what did?

How is this provable fact? Do you mean that simply because there was a delay between the impact and the collapse it means that the impact didn't cause the collapse? I see no reason not to attribute the collapse to the impact based on that. As far as I can see the planes caused the damage and the fires that brought the towers after a period of time.

 

[wingstoo]

The towers were designed to be hit at 600mph by a 707 aircraft, this was after the Empire State Building was hit on the 77th floor back in 1945 when the plane was lost in fog, but, they weren't designed for the planes to still be full of fuel.

When built the twin towers were going up at a rate of about 10 floors a day due to the style of construction, anyone who has put up mobile tower scaffolding will know that the platforms hook over at each end, which is similar to the way the towers were built, the towers were also built around a centre "core".

When these "hooks" got hot they were able to distort and cause a whole floor to drop onto the next floor and this was enough to cause a domino effect.

The time it took to drop each tower is pretty scary, something like 11 seconds and 9 seconds.

I don't doubt that such structures are designed to collapse in on them selves either with or without assistance, might they have had time to design and install a system for cutting them down, of course they could have after the first bombings back in 1993, that would give them almost 8 years to plan it and install it on the "Core" of the building, if they did will it ever become public knowledge, very doubtful, even in the UK we have had the "30 year rule", but that can easily be extended to "never in a million years", even with the Freedom of Information stuff.

In 1998 there was a controlled demolition of a huge building in an urban area...

http://www.controlled-demolition.com/jl-hudson-department-store

We will never really know as no one is going to say yea or nea but we do know that there are orders to shoot down civvy airliners if they get hijacked in future.

 

[cbr6fs]

Dont need any cabling at all Rik, remote detonators and explosives in a few key areas on a building that size would do it.

So thousands of lives and millions of dollars worth of building would be wired for explosives, then left in the hands of a remote detonator in one of the busiest cities in the world that has every single frequency jam packed full

I work with explosives and explosive detection on a daily basis, it's my job.
I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt there is not one professional in the world that would wire up a building that's in use.

and trust me to level a building like the WTC there are only 1 or 2 people in the world with that level of expertises, experience and balls, even then the building would need to be massively pre-weakend structurally.

To get any structure to drop within it's own footprint is a MASSIVE undertaking, even then 9 times out of 10 it wouldn't go 100% to plan.


Again it amazes me that someone can watch a jet fly into the side of a building, watch it burn, then watch it collapse but rather than believe the plane took the building down they believe some massively more complicated and hugely intricate conspiracy involving thousands and thousands of people to stay hush and EVERYTHING to go 100% according to plan.


There is not 1 person in the USA government that would be willing to take a 0.0001% that they'd be found out.
Even if it came out 100 years from now that the government was directly responsible for bringing down both towers and the Pentagon the outcry would topple governments and destroy institutions.

Did you ever visit the WTC's and see the security there?
Since 93 it is extremely tight, it's not easy to get in the building, never mind bring in tons and tons or thermite and getting up to tons of high explosives.

 

[Corso]

The suits and craft provided enough protection for the very short time the Van Allen belt was a threat, simple as that.

Time is indeed a factor when discussing what total dose (Gray) they might have absorbed and therefore how harmful the effects might have been, however what protection they had would have offered little to no barrier to the the energies encountered so how do they explain that the film wasn't fogged. Infact even if the cameras were shielded, when they opened the apature to expose the film the radiation would have effected the image.

 

[Huon]

Time is indeed a factor when discussing what total dose (Gray) they might have absorbed and therefore how harmful the effects might have been, however what protection they had would have offered little to no barrier to the the energies encountered so how do they explain that the film wasn't fogged. Infact even if the cameras were shielded, when they opened the apature to expose the film the radiation would have effected the image.

So you are saying it is impossible to take photos on the moon with conventional film and cameras? There have been no photos taken on the moon until the advent of digital cameras?

What is the level of radiation on the moon? Assuming the Van Allen belt does fog cameras and crisp humans what would be needed to shield against it?

 

[Biker]

cbr6fs spend 15 mins watching this

[video=youtube;LNOM_U5UM6Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp; v=LNOM_U5UM6Q[/video]

Like the man says at the end of the vid "Isn't it time we use physical science rather than political science investigate 9/11?"

 

[Huon]

cbr6fs spend 15 mins watching this

[video=youtube;LNOM_U5UM6Q]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&amp; v=LNOM_U5UM6Q[/video]

Like the man says at the end of the vid "Isn't it time we use physical science rather than political science investigate 9/11?"

But physical science has been used. If you take a look you can find published papers on the collapse of the towers hit on 9/11. Here's something at the University of Edinburgh.. There are dozens of others.

Just because some guy on YouTube says "Isn't it time we use physical science rather than political science investigate 9/11?" doesn't mean that it hasn't happened. Who is Jonathan Cole and why should I trust what he shows me or tells me?