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HillBill

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It doesn't matter how detailed they are, you're completely missing the point that you cannot accurately take them at face value. The timescale is irrelevent. Plenty of beliefs last for thousands of years. And again, you're either missing the point in what I said about the sky (which IS space, essentially) or didn't actually read it. The sky always holds a wonder and fascination, and a reverence. We cannot live without the sun in the sky, the moon and clouds are beautiful, rain falls from the sky. It's mundane to us, but what about to people thousands of years ago? People who wouldn't take long to die if they didn't get any rain?

Well, I know that's supposed to seem like wonderful and amazing proof, but considering that there is no scientific basis for believing that Nibiru even exists, never mind has a 3600 year orbit, then it's not really amazing it all. It just means that whoever came up with this Nibiru stuff wanted it to fit together nicely.

It's not uncommon in ancient cultures for a persons age to be considered his own, plus his fathers, and his grandfathers, to whatever point. If they were kings, it would be much more feasible to say that that particular line lasted for that period of time, and the last King in that line had no sons, meaning that a new line began. Then the age of the last king of that line would be considered the age of the line itself. And so on. It's still a stretch, but much of a stretch than assuming they were aliens.
Why alien? If the texts are correct and they have not been debunked yet. They go back much further than human history. Maybe they are the natives, how do you know different? I do not. If nibiru is what the texts claim ( and NASA have found a new planet in 83 and are watching it very closely), read earlier links) then they are part of our solar system.
 
Bill,

There's no such thing as The Treasury in the UK either. We call it that informally, but the ACTUAL name is Her Majesty's Treasury.

Would you argue that there's no defence department in the US because the of is loswercase in US Department of Defence and the use of the word "department" in the title?
It is a department and the treasury of the federal government.

The FBI similarly has a lowercase 'of' in its formal title.

I see what you're saying and understand the logic you're using, but the reality is that a couple of stray letters and slanted arguments don't make the US Department of The Treasury a department of Her Majesty's Treasury.
 

Draven

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Why alien? If the texts are correct and they have not been debunked yet. They go back much further than human history. Maybe they are the natives, how do you know different? I do not. If nibiru is what the texts claim ( and NASA have found a new planet in 83 and are watching it very closely), read earlier links) then they are part of our solar system.

The "why alien" question is splitting hairs, to be frank. They're alien to us, whether they're alien to the planet is irrelevent really.

I assume you're referring to Eris, since that's the only NASA link you provided. Eris doesn't have a 3,600 year orbit, it has a 557 year orbit, and for the record right now it's about 95-96 AU away from us right now, which is about as far as it can get, so it'll be quite a while before it crosses our path. Therefore the terms cannot be used interchangeably, if Nibiru is said to have an orbit of 3600 years - thus, I await scientific evidence of its existence. Nibiru appears to be generally accepted (excluding Zacheria's crowd) to refer to Jupiter - which has an orbital period of closer to 12 years. Divides into 3,600, but ain't too close.
 

HillBill

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Bill,

There's no such thing as The Treasury in the UK either. We call it that informally, but the ACTUAL name is Her Majesty's Treasury.

Would you argue that there's no defence department in the US because the of is loswercase in US Department of Defence and the use of the word "department" in the title?
It is a department and the treasury of the federal government.

The FBI similarly has a lowercase 'of' in its formal title.

I see what you're saying and understand the logic you're using, but the reality is that a couple of stray letters and slanted arguments don't make the US Department of The Treasury a department of Her Majesty's Treasury.

When you also consider the title of executive agency and steward, both of which are titles in the UK govenment system then the links are there.
 

HillBill

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The "why alien" question is splitting hairs, to be frank. They're alien to us, whether they're alien to the planet is irrelevent really.

I assume you're referring to Eris, since that's the only NASA link you provided. Eris doesn't have a 3,600 year orbit, it has a 557 year orbit, and for the record right now it's about 95-96 AU away from us right now, which is about as far as it can get, so it'll be quite a while before it crosses our path. Therefore the terms cannot be used interchangeably, if Nibiru is said to have an orbit of 3600 years - thus, I await scientific evidence of its existence. Nibiru appears to be generally accepted (excluding Zacheria's crowd) to refer to Jupiter - which has an orbital period of closer to 12 years. Divides into 3,600, but ain't too close.

If it's there its there, if not it's not. I do not know either way. I just think that there is a reasonable possibility that people back then wouldn't be making it all up. All over the world about very similar things.
 

Draven

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If it's there its there, if not it's not. I do not know either way. I just think that there is a reasonable possibility that people back then wouldn't be making it all up. All over the world about very similar things.

I'm not saying they're making anything up, I'm saying that poetic license and faith must be taken into account. People did not and do not just write down what they see as they see it.

And are you implying that the "Nibiru" idea was global? Cause I've certainly not seen anything to indicate that! If it was a planet mentioned from different cultures all over the world with at least comparable details then it would be somewhat more believable. But it's not.
 
Executive agency and steward an in no way limited to the UK government system.

The uses are different in the UK and US too.

The USDoT is "the steward [of the] economic and financial systems". That is, it supervises/manages/oversees them.
Contrast that to the wiki you posted earlier and the difference is clear.

You're also off the mark by giving executive agency such a narrow meaning too. The British government meaning isn't the only use of that expression.
An executive agency is an agency which responsible for executing the instructions of another entity. In this case, (depending on your view of things) either executing the instructions of the US Congress or (since the Fed is owned by its member banks) their wishes (more directly the wishes of its owners).

There's still no need to tie it to the queen.

You should see from my comments that I'm not arguing the Fed is benign, nor that the british monarchy is good, nor that our governments are entirely separate.

I'm merely arguing that your links between the United States Department of The Treasury is not a department of Her Majesty's Treasury.
 

HillBill

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Executive agency and steward an in no way limited to the UK government system.

The uses are different in the UK and US too.

The USDoT is "the steward [of the] economic and financial systems". That is, it supervises/manages/oversees them.
Contrast that to the wiki you posted earlier and the difference is clear.

You're also off the mark by giving executive agency such a narrow meaning too. The British government meaning isn't the only use of that expression.
An executive agency is an agency which responsible for executing the instructions of another entity. In this case, (depending on your view of things) either executing the instructions of the US Congress or (since the Fed is owned by its member banks) their wishes (more directly the wishes of its owners).

There's still no need to tie it to the queen.

You should see from my comments that I'm not arguing the Fed is benign, nor that the british monarchy is good, nor that our governments are entirely separate.

I'm merely arguing that your links between the United States Department of The Treasury is not a department of Her Majesty's Treasury.

The Rothschilds bank of england was one of the banks that established the Fed

Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin (Rothschild's )
Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany and Amsterdam
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Goldman Sachs Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (Controlled By the Rockefeller Family)

Also note that the US based banks on here have been nearly wiped out and the bailouts are to stop those banks going under.
 

HillBill

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I'm not saying they're making anything up, I'm saying that poetic license and faith must be taken into account. People did not and do not just write down what they see as they see it.

And are you implying that the "Nibiru" idea was global? Cause I've certainly not seen anything to indicate that! If it was a planet mentioned from different cultures all over the world with at least comparable details then it would be somewhat more believable. But it's not.

American Indians are a diverse ethnic group. Their languages, customs, social systems varied greatly. One common characteristic found in many Indian nations was an affinity to the spiritual side of life. Out of this came man prophecies.

One of the most fascinating set of prophecies comes out of the Hopi nation located in the Southwestern United States. Many prophecies foretold by the Hopi appear to have come true. Some of these are:

"The Fourth World shall end soon, and the Fifth World will begin. This the elders everywhere know. The Signs over many years have been fulfilled, and so few are left.

"This is the First Sign: We are told of the coming of the white-skinned men, like Pahana, but not living like Pahana men who took the land that was not theirs. And men who struck their enemies with thunder.

"This is the Second Sign: Our lands will see the coming of spinning wheels filled with voices. In his youth, my father saw this prophecy come true with his eyes -- the white men bringing their families in wagons across the prairies."

"This is the Third Sign: A strange beast like a buffalo but with great long horns, will overrun the land in large numbers. These White Feather saw with his eyes -- the coming of the white men's cattle."

"This is the Fourth Sign: The land will be crossed by snakes of iron."

"This is the Fifth Sign: The land shall be criss-crossed by a giant spider's web."

"This is the Sixth sign: The land shall be criss-crossed with rivers of stone that make pictures in the sun."

"This is the Seventh Sign: You will hear of the sea turning black, and many living things dying because of it."

"This is the Eight Sign: You will see many youth, who wear their hair long like my people, come and join the tribal nations, to learn their ways and wisdom.

"And this is the Ninth and Last Sign: You will hear of a dwelling-place in the heavens, above the earth, that shall fall with a great crash. It will appear as a blue star. Very soon after this, the ceremonies of my people will cease.

"These are the Signs that great destruction is coming. The world shall rock to and fro. The white man will battle against other people in other lands -- with those who possessed the first light of wisdom. There will be many columns of smoke and fire such as White Feather has seen the white man make in the deserts not far from here. Only those which come will cause disease and a great dying.

Overall, the theme of Hopi prophecy is that the Earth is going to soon go through a great purification and that humanity can make the decision as to how extreme this purification will be. Their belief is that the world goes through a period of destruction and renewal and that we are about to enter into a new age, the 5th world (or 6th depending upon the source).
 
The Rothschilds bank of england was one of the banks that established the Fed

Rothschild Banks of London and Berlin (Rothschild's )
Lazard Brothers Bank of Paris
Israel Moses Sieff Banks of Italy
Warburg Bank of Hamburg, Germany and Amsterdam
Kuhn Loeb Bank of New York
Lehman Brothers Bank of New York
Goldman Sachs Bank of New York
Chase Manhattan Bank of New York (Controlled By the Rockefeller Family)

Also note that the US based banks on here have been nearly wiped out and the bailouts are to stop those banks going under.

What has this got to do with HM Treasury or Queen Lizzie the Inbred?
 

HillBill

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The Rothschilds have been the Queens Bankers for Hundreds of years. Although there is a war going on between the Roths and the Rockefellas for overall control. 9/11 was an attempt by the rockefellas to bring down the roths, who in turn have replied with what is going on now. The Rockefellas are reeling and trying not to go under while the Roths are just buying everything up at pounds for a penny.

Queen Elizabeth controls and has amended U.S. Social Security, as follows:
S.I. 1997 NO. 1778 The Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997 Made 22nd of July 1997 coming into force 1st September 1997. At the Court at Buckingham Palace the 22nd day of July 1997. Now, therefore Her Majesty in pursuance of section 179 (1) (a) and (2) of the Social Security Administration Act of 1992 and all other powers enabling Her in that behalf, is pleased, by and with advise of Her privy Council, to order, and it is hereby ordered as follows:

"This Order may be cited as the Social Security (United States of America) Order 1997 and shall come into force on 1st September 1997."
Does this give a new meaning to Federal Judge William Wayne Justice stating in court that he takes his orders from England? This order goes on to redefine words in the Social Security Act and makes some changes in United States Law.
Remember, King George was the "Arch-Treasurer and Prince Elector of the Holy Roman Empire and of the United States of America." See: Treaty of Peace (1738) 8 U.S. Statutes at Large. Great Britain which is the agent for the Pope, is in charge of the USA 'plantation.'

What people do not know is that the so called Founding Fathers and King George were working hand-in-hand to bring the people of America to their knees, to install a Central Government over them and to bind them to a debt that could not be paid. First off you have to understand that the UNITED STATES is a corporation and that it existed before the Revolutionary war. See Respublica v. Sweers 1 Dallas 43. 28 U.S.C. 3002 (15)

On January 22, 1783 Congress ratified a contract for the repayment of 21 loans that the UNITED STATES had already received dating from February 28, 1778 to July 5, 1782. Now the UNITED STATES Inc. owes the King money that is due January 1, 1788 from King George via France. Is this not incredible that the King funded both sides of the War? But there was more work that needed to be done. Now the Articles of Confederation which was declared in force March 1, 1781 States in Article 12 " All bills of credit emitted, monies borrowed, and debts contracted by, or under the authority of Congress, before the assembling of the United States, in pursuance of the present confederation, shall be deemed and considered a charge against the United States, for payment and satisfaction whereof the said United States, and the public faith are hereby solemnly pledged."

Now after losing the Revolutionary War, even though the War was nothing more than a move to turn the people into debtors for the King, they were not done yet. Now the loans were coming due and so a meeting was convened in Annapolis, Maryland, to discuss the economic instability of the country under the Articles of Confederation. Only five States came to the meeting, but there is a call for another meeting to take place in Philadelphia the following year with the express purpose of revising the Articles of Confederation On February 21, 1787 Congress gave approval of the meeting to take place in Philadelphia on May 14, 1787, to revise the Articles of confederation. Something had to be done about the mounting debt. Little did the people know that the so-called founding
fathers were acutely going to reorganize the United States because it was Bankrupt. On September 17, 1787 twelve State delegates approved the Constitution. The States have now become Constitutors. Constitutor: In the civil law, one who, by simple agreement, becomes responsible for the payment of another's debt. Blacks Law Dictionary 6th Ed. The States were now liable for the debt owed to the King, but the people of America were not because they were not a party to the Constitution because it was never put to them for a vote. On August 4th, 1790 an Act was passed which was titled - An Act making provision for the payment of the Debt of the United States. This can be found at 1 U.S. Statutes at Large pages 138-178. This Act for all intents and purposes abolished the States and created the Districts. If you don't believe it look it up.

The Act set up Federal Districts, here in Pennsylvania we've got two. In this Act each District was assigned a portion of the debt. The next step was for the states to reorganize their governments which most did in 1790. This had to be done because the States needed to legally bind the people to the debt. The original State Constitutions were never submitted to the people for a vote. So the governments wrote new constitutions and submitted them to people for a vote thereby binding the people to the debts owed to Great Britain. The people became citizens of the State where they resided and ipso facto (by the fact itself) a citizen of the United States.

A citizen is a member of a fictional entity and it is synonymous with subject.
What you think is a State is in reality a Corporation, in other words, a Person (artificial- person). "Commonwealth of Pennsylvania is Person." 9 F. Supp 272" Word "person" does not include state. 12 Op Atty Gen 176.
There are no States, just Corporations. Every body politic on this planet is a Corporation. A Corporation is an artificial entity, a fiction at law. They only exist in your mind. They are images in your mind that speak to you. We labor, pledge our property and give our children to a fiction.

Now before we go any further let us examine a few things in the Constitution.
Article Six Section One keeps the loans from the King valid it states; All Debts
contracted and Engagements entered into, before the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be as valid against the United States under this Constitution, as under the Confederation. Another interesting tidbit can be found at Article One Section Eight clause Two that states “Congress has the power to borrow money on the credit of the United States”. This was needed so the United States (Which went into Bankruptcy on January 1, 1788) could borrow money and then because the States were a party to the Constitution they would also be liable for it.

The next underhanded move was the creation of The United States Bank in 1791. This was a private Bank (just like the Federal Reserve Bank) of which there were 25,000 shares issued of which 18,000 were held by those in England. The Bank loaned the United States money in exchange for Securities of the United States. Now the creditors of the United States, which included the King, wanted to be paid the Interest on the loans that were given to the United States. So Alexander Hamilton came up with the great idea of taxing alcohol. The people resisted so George Washington sent out the Militia to collect the tax, which they did. This has become known as the Whiskey rebellion. It is the Militia's duty to collect taxes. How did the United States collect taxes from the people if the people are not a party to the Constitution? I'll tell you how. The people are slaves! The United States belongs to the “floundering” fathers and their posterity and Great Britain.

America is nothing more than a Plantation. It always has been. How many times have you seen someone in court attempt to use the Constitution and then the Judge tells him he can't. It is because you are not a party to it. We are SLAVES!!! If you don't believe it read Padelford, Fay & Co. vs. The Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah. 14 Georgia 438, 520 which states, "But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution, the Constitution, it is true, is a compact but he is not a party to it."
Now back to the Militia. Just read Article One Section Eight clause (15) that states that it is the Militia's job to execute the laws of the Union. Now read Clause (16). It states that Congress has the power to provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining the Militia, and for governing such part of them as may be employed in the service of the United States. The Militia is not there to protect you and me, it is there to collect our substance. As you can plainly see all the Constitution did is set up a Military Government to guard the King's commerce and make us slaves.

If one goes to 8 U.S. statutes at large 116-132 you will find "The Treaty of Amity,
Commerce and Navigation”. This Treaty was signed on November 19th, 1794, which was twelve years after the War. Article 2 of the Treaty states that the King's Troops were still occupying the United States. Being the nice King that he was, he decided that the troops would return to England by June 1st, 1796. The troops were still on American soil because, quite frankly the King wanted them here.

Here is the key to were this started: Many people tend to blame the Jews for our problems. Jewish Law governs the entire world, as found in Jewish Law by MENACHEM ELON, DEPUTY PRESIDENT SUPREME COURT OF ISRAEL, to wit:
"Everything in the Babylonian Talmud is binding on all Israel. Every town and country must follow all customs, give effect to the decrees, and carry out the enactment's of the Talmudic sages, because the entire Jewish people accepted everything contained in Talmud. The sages who adopted the enactments and decrees, instituted the practices, rendered the decisions, and derived the laws, constituted all or most of the Sages of Israel. It is they who received the tradition of the fundamentals of the entire Torah in unbroken succession going back to Moses, our teacher."

We are living under what the Bible calls Mammon. As written in the subject Index, Mammon is defined as ("Civil law and procedure").
Now turn to the "The Shetars Effect on English Law" -- A Law of the Jews Becomes the Law of the Land, found in "The George Town Law Journal, Vol 71: pages 1179-1200." It is clearly stated in the Law Review that the Jews are the property of the Norman and Anglo-Saxon Kings. It also explains that the Talmud is the law of the land. It explains how the Babylonian Talmud became the law of the land, which is now known as the Uniform Commercial Code. The written credit agreement -- the Jewish Shetar is a lien on all property (realty) and today it's called the mortgage! The treatise also explains that Great Britain owns the Jews and the Jews are in charge of the Baking system.

We are living under the Babylonian Talmud, it is where all of our problems originate. It was brought into England in 1066 and has been enforced by the Pope, Kings and the Christian churches ever since. It is total and relentless mind control, people are taught to believe in things that do not exist.

Now before you scream that the UCC is unconstitutional I'm sorry people, you are not a party to any constitution. Read the case cite below. "But, indeed, no private person has a right to complain, by suit in court, on the ground of a breach of the Constitution. The Constitution it is true, is a compact, but he is not a party to it." Padelford, Fay & Co., vs. Mayor and Aldermen of the City of Savannah 14 Ga. 438, 520.

You have to understand that Great Britain, (Article six Section one) the United States and the States are the parties to the Constitution not you

.Great Britain to this day collects taxes from the American people. The IRS is not an Agency of the United States Government. All taxpayers have an Individual Master File that is in code. By using IRS Publication 6209, which is over 400 pages, there is a blocking series that shows the taxpayer the type of tax that is being paid. Most taxpayers fall under a 300-399 blocking series, which 6209 states is reserved, but by going to BMF 300-399 which is the Business Master File in 6209 prior to 1991, this was U.S.-U.K. Tax Claims, meaning taxpayers are considered a business and involved in commerce and are held liable for taxes via a treaty between the U.S. and the U.K., payable to the U.K.

The form that is supposed to be used for this is Form 8288, IRPTA-Foreign Investment Real Property Tax Account. The 8288 Form is in the Law Enforcement Manual of the IRS, chapter 3. The OMB's-paper-Office of Management and Budget, in the Department of Treasury, List of Active Information collections, Approved Under Paperwork Reduction Act is where form 8288 is found under OMB number 1545-0902, which says U.S. withholding tax return for dispositions by foreign persons, of U.S. Form #8288, #8288a.

These codes have since been changed to read as follows: IMF 300-309, Barred
Assessment, CP 55 generated valid for MFT-30, which is the code for the 1040 form. IMF 310-399 reads the same as IMF 300-309, BMF 390-399 reads U.S.-U.K. Tax Treaty Claims. A 1040 form is a payment of a tax to the U.K.!
 

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Sorry Mark
There is still no evidence in any of your posts or links,to prove the the US treasury is owned by or pays anything to our chief leech.

I have always banked with Lloyds who have been given a bundle of taxpayers money,but I didnt see any of it,nor do I own Lloyds because I have always banked with them.

Semantics over the exact way of writing names of departments,are no more convincing either.

Dont get me wrong,I personally feel that there are a lot of national and international conspiracies, but I dont believe everything I read.

GS
 

HillBill

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I edited my last post, i don't think you read it. It could never be official or confirmed. The US owes us LOTS of money for loans etc, the treasury and the IRS are responsible for collectiing the taxes(repayments) of americans

Heres an old news article from Nov last year. This never made it into the main media. I believe this is reffering to the election of Obama and the people who put him there.

http://www.newsmax.com/morris/g_20_economic_summit/2008/11/19/153044.html

Apologies for the thread deviating and getting a little political.
 

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I wonder when people will stop just reading headlines and look into the whole story.
If you read the act (available for download at the Department of work and pensions website) the correct and unedited title is
The Social Security (Reciprocal Agreements) Order 2005
It is identical to the one we have with Israel, Luxemburg, Germany and a couple of dozen other nations.

This Order provides for social security legislation to be modified, to reflect changes
made to the benefit entitlement of spouses and civil partners by the Welfare Reform and
Pensions Act 1999 and the Civil Partnership Act 2004, in relation to the Orders in
Council listed in Schedule 2 (which give effect to agreements made between the
Governments of the United Kingdom and other countries providing for reciprocity in
certain social security matters).

Basically it’s an act that enables the clear definition of certain terms and agreement related to marriage, civil partnership recognition, and pension payments to people not living in the UK but eligible for UK pensions

It’s simple, ignore the paranoid twaddle that conspiracy theorist push as fact when it is lies, omission and plain unwedded horse dung. Look for yourself

If you look you will find
 

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Venus is on a totally different orbit to Earth. Approximately 72% of the distance from the sun of earth's orbit. Venus's year lasts 224.7 earth days. in other words, it takes Venus 224.7 days to complete an orbit of the Sun, but it takes Earth approximately 365 days.

so it orbits approximately 1.62 times faster than earth

If the above is correct, then how can this be Venus if it appears in the sky at the same place at the same time every evening?
 

HillBill

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The date of the act is posted is 97. How are yours the same? The UK has power over many countries. Well the owners have. Any country who's name starts with United is in fact a corporation. No country can start with "the" just as no name can start with "the"

The mark, the john, the steve. The england, the germany, the america, the russia. Just don't happen does it. The UK, US, USSR, UAE. These countries are businesses( which is why it is abbreiviated) and we are the business. We are the profit. We are sheep in a field being permanently sheared by the farmer,( gov) but the farmer doesn't own the deeds to his farm, he is a tenant farmer.
 

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Unless the Universe looks rather different from W.Yorkshire there's no mystery in what you're seeing, as the more level headed posts have made clear. But then I don't see conspiricies and government cover ups around every corner, simple soul that I am.
 

Tadpole

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The date of the act is posted is 97. How are yours the same? The UK has power over many countries. Well the owners have. Any country who's name starts with United is in fact a corporation. No country can start with "the" just as no name can start with "the"
the act gets Amended every year or so, or when a new law comes in to place that warrants amendment of the act. this act is on its 73 Amendment as of 2005
 

HillBill

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Venus is on a totally different orbit to Earth. Approximately 72% of the distance from the sun of earth's orbit. Venus's year lasts 224.7 earth days. in other words, it takes Venus 224.7 days to complete an orbit of the Sun, but it takes Earth approximately 365 days.

so it orbits approximately 1.62 times faster than earth

If the above is correct, then how can this be Venus if it appears in the sky at the same place at the same time every evening?

I remember seeing it when i was in the lakes. It was in the west around 10/11pm
 

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