Stopped again.

[HillBill]

It's possibly something to do with the Welsh connection... It seems like the Welsh are one of the few minorities in Britain it's still regarded as OK to be prejudiced against.

The law doesn't like welsh or scots according to these laws

In Chester, Welshmen are banned from entering the city before sunrise and from staying after sunset.

In the city of York, it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.




http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article2251280.ece

 

[harryhaller]

In the city of York, it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.

So, the next time Gordon Brown is in York, stick a bow and arrow in his hands....

 

[andy_e]

... don't forget the Scots are all dour, tight-fisted, haggis-juggling alcholics - and that's just the women

Cracking story Wayland - have been waiting to hear that one play out for some time - knew you wouldn't disappoint - nearly wet myself reading it.

 

[Tadpole]

The law doesn't like welsh or scots according to these laws

In Chester, Welshmen are banned from entering the city before sunrise and from staying after sunset.

In the city of York, it is legal to murder a Scotsman within the ancient city walls, but only if he is carrying a bow and arrow.




http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/law/article2251280.ece

that would be Welshmen in the outer city and castle of Chester after dark, and only in 1403

" Henry IV took severe precautions to ensure that there would be no repetition. On 4th September 1403, he wrote to the Mayor, Sheriffs and Aldermen of the City of Chester, commanding that "all manner of Welsh persons or Welsh sympathies should be expelled from the City; that no Welshman should enter the City before sunrise or tarry in it after sunset, under pain of decapitation".

Not shoot, and no longer legal

 

[Armleywhite]

Don't have a problem with this kind of thing at all. I'm all for friendly banter. Southerners are soft, northerners don't wash, geordies like fighting, yorkshiremen are tight. I love all that

It's when it's really prejudiced to the point of hurting someone's feelings. Someone could say something like 'Liverpool is full of thieves and benefit cheats' or even make a joke about wheels being nicked off cars and there will be some nodding their heads in agreement. And then there is the people who are from Liverpool who then have to say 'hang on are you saying that because I'm from Liverpool I'm dishonest?' Why do we have to defend our character just because some people think it's ok to make negative generalisations?

Thank the lord I'm not alone in the sense of humour bypass, with some on here then. There are those that would call me rude for such an "outburst"

I fully agree about the predjudice certain people face. Now that IS rude. Assumption of a persons character , just becasue they hail from a particualr place. Very similar to a lot of viewpoints of people and regions.

 

[Melonfish]

wait, people AREN'T prejudice against liverpool? have you even been there?!

lol no i'm kidding. liverpool just reminds me of manchester with a different accent. its the same wherever you go. there are nice places and there are nasty places. peoples is peoples.
except brumies who by definition make me want to kill myself with their accent. yes i know i'm sorry but i can't listen to those depressing tones! its my one failing as a human being...

 

[Andy2112]

wait, people AREN'T prejudice against liverpool? have you even been there?!

lol no i'm kidding. liverpool just reminds me of manchester with a different accent. its the same wherever you go. there are nice places and there are nasty places. peoples is peoples.
except brumies who by definition make me want to kill myself with their accent. yes i know i'm sorry but i can't listen to those depressing tones! its my one failing as a human being...

Whoa there boy,
i am not a Brummie but i do live relatively close, don't go dissing them mate, i work with a load of them and they are alright. Plus there are alot of Brummies who post on this site you might just upset !!

btw, whats the difference between a plane full of Brummies going to spain and the plane ? the plane stops whining after it lands. lol

 

[BigShot]

Prawnster, I think you're being unnecessarily defensive.

Notice that noone said Liverpool was notorious - but that it was notorious for imports.
Note that the cop didn't say they catch a lot of crooks in Liverpool, but on the road FROM Liverpool.

The whole point here is illegal imports coming inot the country through Liverpool - that's no slight on Scousers, but a function of Scousers coming from a port city!


Liverpool has a reputation in the EXACT same way manchester does. Both had horiffically high crime for a long time - Liverpool has done a much better job of clearing it up (at least as far as the centre and more affluent areas are concerned) and both still have massive problems in the more deprived areas.

There are just about as many stereotypes about Manchester as Liverpool. Whenever I've been out drinking with my mates in Liverpool (some scouse, some from over the water, some from way out of town) and the Scouse or man jokes come up we can hit eachother's punchlines as they are exactly the same ...
Why does the Mersey/Irwell run through Liverpool/Manchester? Because if it walked it would be mugged.
What do you call a Scouser/Manc in a suit? The accused.

The only stereotypes about Liverpudlians that aren't extended to Manchunians are the ones about that oh-so-cheeky/good/wicked/other superlative scouse sense of humour.


Even on the Accent front. There's no city-limit to the accent. Sure, you could probably tell the difference between someone from St Helens and someone from Toxteth, just like I could tell the difference between Cheetham Hill and Stockport... but to someone from outside Liverpool the accent is the same both sides of the water and as far afield as places like Chester... just like to someone from outside Manchester the accents of Salford, Stockport, Manchester and other places further out are all the same.

In fact - I've had PLENTY of people mistake my obviously Manc accent for a Scouse one.

I know what it's like to have a load of stereotypes stacked against you - I have come across it when in Ireland, when living in France and around England too - but I have to say I think you're being overly sensitive about it. It's not a big deal, and pointing out that a lot of criminals are caught on the M62 Eastbound, is no more a slight against Liverpool as the origin as it is against Manchester as the likely destination.

 

[BigShot]

Oh for the record...
...of all the times I've been out in Liverpool (lots) I've only ever seen trouble twice - both occasions were weekends where there wasn't as strong a polcie presence as usual.

In Manchester I never feel safe on a night out - Liverpool is MUCH better for safety.

Why? In Manchester we get a few cops hanging around in groups talking to eachother, a few in cars and CCTV.
In liverpool there are cops in groups of 2 which sometimes becomes 4 and they are EVERYWHERE.

Why does the stereotype stick?
The same reason EVERY stereotype sticks, and it's nothing to do with Liverpool. They just stick.
That's why people still think Moss Side is the most violent place on earth.
That's why people ask if I'm Jewish when they find out what neighbourhood I live in.
That's why...
...well, you get the idea.

 

[John Fenna]

Whoa there boy,
i am not a Brummie but i do live relatively close, don't go dissing them mate, i work with a load of them and they are alright. Plus there are alot of Brummies who post on this site you might just upset !!

btw, whats the difference between a plane full of Brummies going to spain and the plane ? the plane stops whining after it lands. lol

Enoch and Eli jokes...Gornal Donkeys...etc
Love the Black Country humour!

 

[Shambling Shaman]

Oh for the record...
...of all the times I've been out in Liverpool (lots) I've only ever seen trouble twice - both occasions were weekends where there wasn't as strong a polcie presence as usual.

In Manchester I never feel safe on a night out - Liverpool is MUCH better for safety.

Why? In Manchester we get a few cops hanging around in groups talking to eachother, a few in cars and CCTV.
In liverpool there are cops in groups of 2 which sometimes becomes 4 and they are EVERYWHERE.

Why does the stereotype stick?
The same reason EVERY stereotype sticks, and it's nothing to do with Liverpool. They just stick.
That's why people still think Moss Side is the most violent place on earth.
That's why people ask if I'm Jewish when they find out what neighbourhood I live in.
That's why...
...well, you get the idea.

Now I'm shore this applies to all major cities, (So Please dont take this wrong)

The local populaces can not be trusted to go out and have a good/civil time without a heavy police presents?

 

[BigShot]

Shaman - I woldn't go that far.
I think it's more that the few scumbags who ruin cities for the millions of perfectly decent inhabitants are scared off by the police.

If someone's the type to make trouble, they are far less likely to do it when there's a visible police presence.

Of all the times I've seen people fighting, mugging, acting up and what have you, it's almost invariably either away from police, or when they haven't seen the police.
When it's obvious the police are there (as it is in Liverpool) there's far less trouble from the minority that need such a deterrent.

 

[Eric_Methven]

or the three dozen Chinese immigrants you had stashed...

Ah! So that's what he meant when he said "Just popping out for a Chinese dear".

 

[Prawnster]

I probably was a bit defensive earlier on, sorry. A lot of Liverpudlians have gotten defensive about their home town because we feel like fair game. I imagine the Welsh will go the same way, as it is perfectly fine to be offensive about them.
I don't think Shewie meant it the way I have taken it and so I do apologise. I think it's worth discussing though because I genuinely feel there are lots of people out there who have a deep seated dislike of the place and it's inhabitants (most of them having never been there mind). I've been on the end of this discrimination enough times to know it's true and to be honest it's infuriating because we're obviously no different to anyone else. Maybe I should just put it down to ignorance and narrow mindedness. As long as there are people like that around there will be someone on the wrong end of their bigoted opinions.

I feel better now thanks.

 

[BigShot]

I probably was a bit defensive earlier on, sorry. A lot of Liverpudlians have gotten defensive about their home town because we feel like fair game. I imagine the Welsh will go the same way, as it is perfectly fine to be offensive about them.
I don't think Shewie meant it the way I have taken it and so I do apologise. I think it's worth discussing though because I genuinely feel there are lots of people out there who have a deep seated dislike of the place and it's inhabitants (most of them having never been there mind). I've been on the end of this discrimination enough times to know it's true and to be honest it's infuriating because we're obviously no different to anyone else. Maybe I should just put it down to ignorance and narrow mindedness. As long as there are people like that around there will be someone on the wrong end of their bigoted opinions.

I feel better now thanks.

Well - apart from that great/cheeky/famous scouse sense of humour.
Haha.

I dunno if this was something I heard about or soemthing I witnessed (it was a while back) but someone dispelled the "sense of humour" stereotype and confirmed the "playing the victim" one in one fell swoop.
Someone said something about the scouse sense of humour and some scouser went mad about the unjust stereotyping and how it was bordering on racism to suggest everyone from liverpool was funny.

I didn't know whether to laugh or not when I heard it...
...maybe it was that scouse sense of humour and he was really just winding people up? Haha.


Really though - I do appreciate it being annoying when people have a go because of where you're from.

It annoys me when people say "You're from Manchester/Liverpool?
Hey everyone - watch your wallets with this one around."

It annoys the life out of me when I hear toff students (called Giles or Tarquin or some other silver-spoon name) laughing about "Slumming it for a few years in Gunchester to study for a degree in dodging bullets."
I can't stand this place and it STILL gets on my nerves when I hear people talking like that about it.

Wierd.

 

[Shewie]

I don't think Shewie meant it the way I have taken it and so I do apologise.

Don`t worry about it Prawnster, I`ve got loads of scally mates who know exactly where I`m coming from, anyway I didn`t mean to offend you if I did. My best man was a scouser, my wife`s half scouse and like I said it`s one of my favourite cities anyway.

 

[Barney]

****e being confronted because you dont conform to someone elses perception of what normal/mainstream is isnt it. At least they were polite.

 

[The Cumbrian]

I think I get stopped because the van's a bit old and I look a bit like a pikey / hippy / biker.

You wouldn't believe the trouble I have driving through customs....

Debs used to think I was exaggerating about how often I get stopped until it happened twice in one weekend and then again getting on and off the ferry to Norway.

Funnily enough, I get stopped more now with very short ( balding ) hair than when my hair was three feet long. My wife says that it's because I now look like an eastern European gangster rather than a stoned hippy.

I've also had problems with Norwegian customs though. The blighters took my jar of salsa off me that I was going to enjoy with my crisps on the El Cheapo Airlines flight home.
Dry crisps and overpriced on-board drink is a wallet punishing snack.

 

[gunslinger]

Happened to me many years ago coming home from the range on my bike.
" is this your motorcycle sir?"
yes
"and would you mind telling me what is in that bag strapped on the back?"
1 9mm Heckler and Koch pistol and 200 rounds of 9mm ammunition;
pause "do you have a license for it sir?"
yes
"thank you sir...that will be all"
He looked as though he really wished he'd clocked off earlier

Strangely I had something very similar happen to me with two handguns in a ruck and a section1 shotgun in a slips across my back on the A2.
But to be fair I did have a dodgy brake light on my old Armstrong.

The range wasnt Stone Lodge by any chance ??

GS

 

[Opal]

Some years back, a few of us went on a trip down to Sarnau, Wales where we stayed over the weekend and done a bit of fishing, on the way we stopped for a brecky in Oswestry. The youth leader who has charge of the cottage we stayed at chatted about crime and mentioned, "there's probably more crime here per head than Liverpool"

I think he's, in all probability, right. I never get upset about us being bottom of the pile which Prawnster intimates and is spot on but.....people from elsewhere do go on about us being a gang of robbers and whatever else

While up in the Lakes in '84, my mate and I walked into a shop and I asked for some Cumberland sausages, the owner shot to the door and stood there while his wife? served us, we had a good laugh about it in the shop, I mean, if we were a couple of scouse robbers, what could he have done anyway?

Water off a duck's back with me. The other thing someone mentioned, the area and accent, I was born in the city centre and I can tell if someone is from the south or north etc,of the city and I suppose it's like that elsewhere. Crime? I worked in Croxteth as a support worker and got to know many youths around the area, I lived in Norris Green just down the road whose youth battled with the Noggsy gang.

These young people (like most everywhere) need something to do in life, they ain't got nothing, in Croxteth there is one sports centre which is used mostly by adults, some of the youths I have took, on my days off, to golf drive ranges, motorbike meets and fishing trips to show them there is life outside Crocky but they're afraid to move.

I know a lot of them wouldn't harm a fly, it's all bravado what you hear on the telly, kids are like that, and adults when there's a camera about. If the government paid the likes of me to help the youth in these areas, I'm damn sure it would be a better place but who's gonna pay us?

Epilogue?