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Corso

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Many think a NHS clinic is a ‘NHS clinic’ but in reality it is a private enterprice partially funded though work done under a NHS contract.
And there lies the problem - privatisation through the back door...little governance and little support
 

Janne

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Dental clinics were always owned by the dentists, never by the State.
Of course there are publicly owned clinics ( some are specialists clinics) , in hospitals, and so on.
But the vast majority have always been privately owned.

Governance - plenty of it, too much. Few private enterprices are as governed, regulated and supervised as a Dental clinic, be it fully Private or mixed Private and NHS .
Pure privately owned NHS clinics fo not exist, all do a % of private work.

Support - not needed, not wanted. The State/ Public/ taxpayer ( choose what you prefer) should not subsidise a specific business.

There is a reason a Dental Clinic ( or GP Clinic) fails. Bad treatments. Msybe dishonesty.
Patients flock to a skillfull, honest dentist or GP.

I think Tengu got her latest skin disease ( hopefully not quickly fatal or too disfigurating) because we are gently itching towards the Big Taboo, Haram subject, the dreadful ‘Politics’
 
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santaman2000

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Jane I’m still confused. Corso’s post make it seem as if private practice dentists there are basically unlicensed? Do you not have to complete an approved university/college curriculum and clinical training before being allowed to sit for a licensing exam?
 

Corso

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I never suggested they were unlicenced ? Or untrained, they do 5 years of dental school

They are licenced like any other medical practitiener

They have to participate in continued personal developement like them too

Nor did i say that the government didn't regular them - although the CQC only got interested in 2010, and the xrays they used were only covered in IRR17 and IRMER18 properly but thats beside my point my point is before somone has any form of treatment in the NHS they are discussed in a MDT where a concesus is made on the best course of managment - and often it follows national guidlines

the only dental concenus I can find is an NHS buisness maagment handbook...

Anyway I am truely done I have my opinions on dental practices and they wont change
 
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santaman2000

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Ahhh. So private dentists are trained, licensed, and free to perform treatments above and beyond what the government would pay for. Much like private doctors. Sounds like an advantage.
 

Fadcode

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Money for old rope

very little true science behind it

almost as bad as the price of eye glasses these days

last time I went I was told I should pay 100+ quid for a wisdom tooth pull and a filling - after he spent 10 minutes blowing ice cold air at it to demonstate the pain I should be feeling daily that I wasn't so I slowly walked away.

After I shopped around and studied the options I got it sorted by another dentist who then told me it was essentail I had a deep tooth clean or I might run into trouble real soon.

10 years later no issues and a thrid dentist is happy but has suggested something new...
Just a point of interest regarding glasses, i have just got a new pair of glasses, bi-focals from Boots, cost £225 less 25% discount I paid £168.75, when I got my receipt I was amazed to find out the actual glasses and lenses were in fact £52.31, the rest of the charge £116.44 was a dispensing charge, the actual eyesight test paid by the NHS was £21.31, now to me that is criminal. If I go to a shop to buy a pair of shoes, I don't expect to pay to be served by someone as a separate charge.
( I have a copy of the receipt to back up this statement, if anyone needs to see it)
 

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Asda, 2 pair £98, I told Boots I was going to Asda when they tried to sell me another pair with £10 off, I said off but not preceded by £10.
 

santaman2000

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I just bought a pair directly from my optometrist. $189 (£145) for a pair of bifocals with a nice commercial metal frame. Still got two pair of government issue glasses on base for free as spares; one pair clear and one pair tinted sunglasses.
 

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Asda, 2 pair £98, I told Boots I was going to Asda when they tried to sell me another pair with £10 off, I said off but not preceded by £10.
Better yet :)
I've got a voucher for 50% off if I buy another pair within six months too though, and I'm hard on specs. They coat the lenses with stuff to be anti-glare, etc., but I manage to get it cloudy with mini scratches, etc., so the 50% is probably worth it for me.
 

Toddy

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I did ask if it really were a good thing. The reply was that I am (just so slight that if they didn't have very modern machinery they wouldn't have spotted it yet) developing cataracts. UV damage apparently. The coatings are supposed to reduce the amount of UV that gets through the lenses and helps to stop glare when driving at night too.

Honestly, I know we evolved to live here, those of us with the red haired gene in the background, and we get so little sunshine really, how the hang can it be a good thing to be so intolerant of UV ? Anyhow, I really don't fancy surgery on my eyes, so I'll be good and I'll shade and I'll wear the blasted glasses and hope to put off any extra damage for a while.

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santaman2000

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Actual tinted sunglasses (prescription or plain) block UV rays. Good ones block as much as 95%. That’s why I’m authorized a free pair of prescription sunglasses from the Base (my cataracts) The anti glare coating is a cosmetic thing that lets other people see your eyes without the reflected glare on the lens.
 
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Robson Valley

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UV goes through the clouds.
I had Zeiss brown glass lensed sunglasses in Australia. Going to look into that again, all these decades later.
Maybe I won't have such a sore mouth.
 
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Toddy

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Ah, different coating I think. Mine are on my ordinary specs. There's no colour on the coating.

Mind I live in Scotland, sunglasses are something of a rarity for most of the year. Thinking on it, I don't own a prescription pair at all.
I suppose I need to deal with that now too :sigh:
 

santaman2000

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From what I remember when I lived there, folks in the UK probably need sunglasses more than we do here. At least those who are outdoors a great bit. That far north your daylight hours are much longer in Summer than ours are. Even with cooler temperatures the UV rays are just as intense.
 

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You know listerine was failed floor cleaner that they wanted to come up with a use for ? From wikipedia

Listerine, for instance, was invented in the nineteenth century as powerful surgical antiseptic. It was later sold, in distilled form, as both a floor cleaner and a cure for gonorrhea. But it wasn't a runaway success until the 1920s, when it was pitched as a solution for "chronic halitosis" — a then obscure medical term for bad breath. Listerine's new ads featured forlorn young women and men, eager for marriage but turned off by their mate's rotten breath. "Can I be happy with him in spite of that?" one maiden asked herself. Until that time, bad breath was not conventionally considered such a catastrophe. But Listerine changed that. As the advertising scholar James B. Twitchell writes, "Listerine did not make mouthwash as much as it made halitosis." In just seven years, the company's revenues rose from $115,000 to more than $8 million.