So you think you are English

[DFCA]

The thing with all of this that EVERYONE forgets is that EVERYONE is decended at some stage from a migration to this land area.

Who can claim descent from the Beaker peoples? They are certainly pre "celtic" and so maybe they are the original British.

The original question was "So you think you are English" - Well I am. I was born in Herftfordshire in England. Despite prior migrations and immigrations, various lineage origins (Scotland, Ireland, Canada to name a few) I believe my place of origin to be England.

As an Englishman in Wales, I do have a healthy banter with the locals (resisted my usual "Colonials" there!) but you know, there really are people here that take it all so seriously. I have been accused in the time I have lived here (VERY infrequently I have to add, and almost always in the upper valleys!) of backing the destruction of the ancient Welsh language, oppressing the Welsh nation and being arrogant about rugby. I do unfortunately admit to the latter ;-)

Anyway, I thought that men were from Mars and women were from Venus? Maybe it'd be better for everyone if it were true.

ATB
Dave

ps - I would obviously come from the superior, oppressing, rugby elitist part of Mars! ;-)

 

[Adze]

ps - I would obviously come from the superior, oppressing, rugby elitist part of Mars! ;-)

Haha! Excellent!

Monmouthshire is a perfect example in miniature really - 15thC and previously, part of Wales. 16thC to the 20thC a county of England, or occasionally Wales depending entirely upon who you spoke to, but not officially part of Wales until the early 70's. It all depends on how far you want to go back and whether or not you think beating someone up and nicking his country is a valid form of 'ownership'.

I suppose in years to come, when someone finally genetically reconstructs Neanderthals, all the H. sapiens living on these fair isles will have to up sticks and move back to the mainland amid much grovelling and apologetic wringing of hands should the H. sapiens neanderthalensis rights movement get into full swing.:yikes:

 

[FGYT]

Born in England so yes im English simples


im not trying to grasp at a culture cos an ansestor many generations back came from somewhere else (and ignoring all the other ancestors origins)

you are from and are of the country you are born in end of story ...... what culture you grow up with or adopt etc is a different matter

 

[marcusleftthesite]

Pirate

Arrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[locum76]

We're all a bunch of mongrels. It's better that way.

 

[Miyagi]

We're all a bunch of mongrels. It's better that way.

Hahahahaaa!!!

I'd rather be a mongrel than a pedigree anyday.

 

[gsfgaz]

hee heee .............................

 

[Miyagi]

What's wrong with english ,nothing they r decent people just like the scott's ...

That just made me laugh out loud Gaz, knowing that your favourite song is Killiecrankie by the Corries!

Nowt wrong with most English mate, it's a relatively recent invention anyway, rebranding if you will of a pot purri of peoples...

 

[gsfgaz]

Where hae ye been sae braw, lad?
Where hae ye been sae brankie-o?
Where hae ye been sae braw, lad?
Cam' ye by Killiecrankie-o?

An' ye had been where I hae been
Ye wadna been sae cantie-o
An' ye had seen what I hae seen
On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o

I fought at land, I fought at sea
At hame I fought my auntie-o
But I met the Devil and Dundee
On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o

The bauld pitcur fell in a furr
And Clavers gat a clankie-o
Or I had fed an Athol gled
On the braes o' Killiecrankie-o

Oh fie, MacKay, What gart ye lie
I' the brush ayont the brankie-o?
Ye'd better kiss'd King Willie's loff
Than come tae Killiecrankie-o

It's nae shame, it's nae shame
It's nae shame to shank ye-o
There's sour slaes on Athol braes
And the de'ils at Killiecrankie-o

 

[British Red]

I'm English...and damned proud of the fact!

England is a country that has shaped the developed world, made huge strides in technology, industry, agriculture, art, music, we have "the mother of parliaments" and the model of westen judiciary.

England has, IMHO, contributed more, per capita, to the advancement of the world, than almost any other country in the last thousand years.

England is a fantastic country....and we, the English, should be proud and pleased to say so.

Red

 

[Wayland]

Tribalism has caused almost as much death, destruction and misery as religion in my opinion.

The sooner humanity turns it's back on such medieval attitudes the better.

 

[British Red]

Isn't that strange? I associate the term "tribe" with what Toddy would call "community" and perhaps "extended family". With doing things for others, looking out for each other, sharing, offering skills we have to others - not for payment but "for the good of the tribe"

Whilst doing up our retirement cottage, I was invited into the neighbours barbecue. There is a hamlet of five houses round here and they identify with each other. We are given eggs and veg every week. A farmer loaned me a tractor to sort out the paddock. I'm really happy to share my homebrew and preserves when a big batch is on. Anyone driving into town and seeing another person from round here calls "want anything from the shop?"

There is a huge pride of the little "tribe" here - we were moved when the guys said, smiling, " your part of us now". Isn't "tribe" just another word for "community"? Taking a pride of what you do for your community is surely a great thing?

Now to my mind, we need more "tribes" like I have found here - small groups of friends and neighbours, taking care of each other.

Red

 

[apj1974]

England is a country that has shaped the developed world, made huge strides in technology, industry, agriculture, art, music, we have "the mother of parliaments" and the model of westen judiciary.

I think you might be confusing England with the United Kingdom.
(which is in a sense the problem that lies behind most such stories as begun this thread)

 

[British Red]

No, I meant England - a country in which I have as much pride as, say, the Scots do in Scotland.

 

[Bushwhacker]

A tribe usually means a group of people who share the same ancestry or lineage, whereas a community is more about a common interest.

 

[Wilderbeast]

"want anything from the shop?"

Cornetto!

someone had to!

 

[British Red]

A tribe usually means a group of people who share the same ancestry or lineage, whereas a community is more about a common interest.

But surely tribes inter marry all the time, some leave, others join - otherwise the gene pool would be very shallow?

I guess as well then, by your definition, patriotism cannot be defined as tribalism - since one could hardly think everyone in England had a common ancestry?

Red

 

[British Red]

Cornetto

Its a village shop - you might get lucky with a Magnum though!

 

[Bushwhacker]

But surely tribes inter marry all the time, some leave, others join - otherwise the gene pool would be very shallow?

I guess as well then, by your definition, patriotism cannot be defined as tribalism - since one could hardly think everyone in England had a common ancestry?

Red

In my head I think of tribes as being like clans.

 

[gregorach]

In my head I think of tribes as being like clans.

Also not actually a group of people with common ancestry, I'm afraid.