So.. what happened...

JonathanD

Ophiological Genius
Sep 3, 2004
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Not being able to attach pictures to a post without either having an external hosting site or pay.
That’s easily sorted. There's loads of external hosting sites that are free. I used photobucket for years until they started charging. They’re dead simple to use.
 

RonW

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Nov 29, 2010
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That’s easily sorted. There's loads of external hosting sites that are free. I used photobucket for years until they started charging. They’re dead simple to use.
I know. I just do not want to use them, precisely because of what happened to photobucket. Not only are they no longer free, but deleted a lot of stuff when changing policy/server/provider/whatever.
And I think it is unnecessary hassle to have a third party involved in it all, same as I did in the early days.
 

Chris

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Sep 20, 2022
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Personally, I am more than happy to pay the very small annual fee to just support this great site; being able to cut and paste a photo or two is just a bonus. I don't see any obstruction; it's a choice.

In terms of new members though, people do not expect to pay to post pictures online these days. Unfortunately, the data shows that any impediments to someone’s journey (as in go online to a community, post a picture) significantly reduces the likelihood that people will use said service.

For those of us over the age of 30 it’s nothing new for us to have to go to Imgur or Photobucket or something, but that isn’t what people expect now. Can’t really think of anywhere else online these days where you can post pictures, where you have to go somewhere external to actually upload the image.
 

Woody girl

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Not being funny or anything, but the words instant gratification and bothered come to mind.
Pay the few quid and become a member and then it's not a problem. No third parties or problems with stuff going missing. Lemon squeezy.
Also shows support and commitment to the forum .
I don't have a problem with it, and I'm probably the most technophobeic person going on the forum.!!!!
 

Broch

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Jan 18, 2009
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Rather than pointing out how things could be wrong or being pedantic about laws (I notice I may have inadvertently done this recently), how about we let other adults work out these things for themselves and we focus on the bushcraft aspects.

Whereas I agree that we all need to be careful how we respond to peoples' questions, I also think there is a responsibility to ensure that newcomers to this activity understand the laws. Whether they stick to them is their responsibility.

We don't wait until a starter gets arrested for carrying a 4" fixed blade in a public place before explaining UK knife law. We don't worry that making them aware of UK knife laws will stop them wanting to participate in activities using 'bushcraft'. So, I don't worry that telling someone about the laws of trespass and how quickly that can become a criminal activity if they cause damage, or telling them they can't catch crayfish without a licence, or that most of the trapping shown in 'bushcraft' books is illegal, will put them off either. If we don't tell them, how will they know?
 

Paul_B

Bushcrafter through and through
Jul 14, 2008
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LOL, you mean a tape!!
My parents went years without a video player/recorder. When I finally went off on my own I couldn't justify getting one due to cost. Besides DVDs had already come out so I didn't see the point as it would surely die out. Then blueray. Then streaming. I got our first DVD/Blueray player after streaming had started because our Internet was not that good.

I think I'm a little behind the times in media. That includes being on forums on here and other places rather than tiktok and so on. It matters not if you find out what you want to and have some fun as well.
 
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Pattree

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I sincerely hope that BcUK does not become diminished to just those of us who don’t use so called “social media” (what a horrible and inaccurate term). However it is invaluable for those of us who enjoy that status.
 

Laurentius

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Aug 13, 2009
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I sincerely hope that BcUK does not become diminished to just those of us who don’t use so called “social media” (what a horrible and inaccurate term). However it is invaluable for those of us who enjoy that status.
I go so far but not beyond, it is impossible even not advisable to keep up with it all. I have been on Facebook since I did my postgrad degree and it was a student thing then, I do YouTube because I am a TV licence refusenik and I did do Twitter until it became Elon Musk's personal *ank fest. TikTok and WhatsApp and whatever else is out there are a step beyond me, I just cannot run as fast as I used to. Who remembers usenet? That was the coolest thing when I first got connected.
 
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C_Claycomb

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Oct 6, 2003
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Not being able to attach pictures to a post without either having an external hosting site or pay.
Genuine question. Do you have adverts appearing around, in and over threads? Sometimes stuff behaves differently for me as a moderator and I might not see something that you see. I don’t see any adverts.
 

HillBill

Bushcrafter through and through
Oct 1, 2008
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@HillBill has solved the problem of BcUK's slow pace, just bring up subjects other than bushcraft & the forum takes off. :D
:D It was always so. That's why we have a section of the forum for 'Off Topic' and 'Other chatter' It was always a busy section. People don't just want to talk about one thing the whole time. As a community, there has to be more to it than that. People have lives and other interests. People are people. Unless someone is unfortunate enough to have some serious autism or similar, then i find most people prefer a variety of topics to discuss. The no religion and no politics rule has always been a thing... but it didn't get in the way.
 

HillBill

Bushcrafter through and through
Oct 1, 2008
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Bushcraft has no definition which means that no one can be completely satisfied with a particular aspect. Attitudes here have varied between casual/occasional to almost religious. BcUK will pick up a wide range of folk but we won’t be contributing to everything.
I wouldn't go so far as to suggest Bushcraft doesn't have a definition. It certainly does for me. I suppose its all subjective based on the individual though. My definition of bushcraft is simply 'A practical working knowledge, of nature and the natural world' With maybe a few basic skills thrown in, in order to utilise that knowledge.

That simple definition, 'for me', opens up a never ending pursuit of learning and interest. I'll admit, it was the firelighting, the shelter building, the campfire cooking and all that basic good stuff that sparked my interest. Now? Now it's growing food, taking seed from the wild that produce useful plants/food and spreading them where they aren't. Where i live, there are no sweet chestnut trees that produce a viable and reliable crop.. But where our lasses parents are, there are loads... ( over 40 miles from here) so we went and picked a load... learnt how to germinate them ( keep in fridge over winter in a sealed bag) then planted them when they germinated. We now have a dozen, 2 year old, healthy saplings in pots. They will be planted down a local south facing hedgerow, with the enthusiastic permission of Verdan (the local landowner/farmer) Who appreciates such efforts. So 10 years from now, local people will be able to come and collect Sweet chestnuts, which wasn't possible before... And what it all boils down to, is that ultimately, this forum caused that. People will benefit from this place, and never know, because i benefited from this place, and did know.

That, to me is a big part of what Bushcraft is. Hunter gatherers did it. It probably had a lot to do with how we learned to farm.
 
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HillBill

Bushcrafter through and through
Oct 1, 2008
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W. Yorkshire
With regard to Forums and other Social Media forms... Recently I tried to join a Forum, not too dissimilar to this one, but found I had to join some other kind of group, tap to talk or something similar? Can't remember now, but just simply joining the forum was not an option. Perhaps Forums finally buckling to pressure from other types of social media or dying is inevitable?
I don't use my phone for forums, or anywhere i need to type a post of more than a few sentences. Hate it. Big thumbs, little keyboards lol. I will read stuff on my phone if i'm not at home, but i will wait until im back on my pc to reply. Tapatalk is just a forum app, that allowed mobile phone optimisation, before forums themselves became optimised... now they are, Tapatalk isn't really needed.
 

HillBill

Bushcrafter through and through
Oct 1, 2008
8,195
174
W. Yorkshire
I take Chris' point though, to a degree. In my teens, 20s and 30s, we learnt by dirt time - no TV programmes, no internet, no YouTube, very few decent books and no courses. I think this is part of the 'instant gratification' desire now (and I am no better in things I'm studying at the moment) we want to learn it today and be experts by tomorrow. Being told to find someone to teach you (still the best advice) doesn't go down well.

In the UK it's really quite difficult to engage in the type of activity we see on TV or on the videos posted from places like the US - we have 70 million people living on a little island; we just don't have the space or the landscape. Maybe, 'Bushcraft' is very difficult to practice legally in the UK; maybe we just have to accept that and it's reflected in the drop off in participation.

It's also true, at least around here, that post-Covid, landowners take a different view to strangers coming out into the country. I still think it's possible to get permissions; just one has to work at it. One can't just go knocking on a door and expect open arms. But, maybe, that in itself is too much work for the 'instant gratification' mob (and that's not just youngsters either). My point being, within the limitations of where we live, most of the response on here is generally supportive; it probably just sounds very negative at times.

I don't think the 'tone' of response has changed much TBH. When I started on here in 2009 it was still possible to be put-down quite quickly by some of the participants. Others, of course, were helpful and supportive.
Yeah, was dirt time for me too, 30 years ago. Our generation didn't have what is available now. And i reckon we were better for it.

You menion the legal side of things, and while i fully agree, folk should be educated in knife (offensive weapon) law... i'm more of the opinion that regarding the rest... 'tresspassing' etc... just respect the land, turn up late, leave early... leave no trace... its easier to apologise than get permissison. So long as you respect the land and leave no trace... you're normally fine. Are we literally stopping people from 'shrafting... because of whats written somewhere? No wonder folk don't bother. The laws were literally the same in 2005. But the forum has changed... not the law.. (not including the recent zombie knife legislation) The people on it are not the same... they're either new legal minded bods, or older members, afraid to speak their minds or just those who are afraid of conflict or averse to a bit of drama?, When one is afraid to speak ones mind, those who have no such restrictions end up ruling the roost.. and the roost becomes a poor place. You know i have no such qualms. Lets see how it goes.
 
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