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dwardo

Bushcrafter through and through
Aug 30, 2006
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Nr Chester
They are some lovely looking bows!

90lbs though what are you hunting elepephant ?:D I have to try laminates soon but where do you get the lumber or staves in the uk?
I have only ever managed to cut and split/season my own from living material?
 

Xunil

Settler
Jan 21, 2006
671
3
55
North East UK
www.bladesmith.co.uk
I do a lot of selfbows as well, in timber I cut and season myself. My favourite UK bow woods are Laburnum (leave the sapwood on and use like you would Yew) and Wych Elm, with Dogwood, Ash, Walnut, Sycamore and others also readily available.

I bought my Lemonwood about 20 years or so ago from a hardwood importer who was holding a bankruptcy sale. I got half a dozen substantial planks and two of them had old-fashioned importers wax labels on them, and one of them was dated 1910 !

Most areas have a specialist hardwood importer/dealer if you look hard enough. Here in the North East you could try Hexhamshire Hardwoods or John Boddys. Both regularly stock Greenheart, Purpleheart, Ipe, Lemowood and Hickory, among others.

Similar suppliers are dotted all over the UK, and if you look for high-end decking suppliers they will usually stock Ipe decking boards. Don't go for thick pieces of Ipe - it is so dense that very little is required to make a big bow. A 1 and 1/18" wide by 3/4" thick piece of Ipe with a 1/8" or 1/4" Hickory backing strip will make a very, very heavy bow if you do it right, and don't forget that if you glue in any reflex or deflex/reflex you effectively massively increase the draw weight from the same materials.

I have a Hickory backed Ipe 62" "bunny bow" in progress at present which is 5mm thick Hickory backing on just over 1/2" thick Ipe. It feels like a little twig, but it pulls just under 50lb @ 30" at the moment. All I'm getting at is if you can source Ipe then don't buy it in thick pieces. I intend making a D longbow in a few weeks with very lightly reflexed tips and it will have a 1/8" Hickory backing over 3/4" thick Ipe at the grip, around an inch wide at the widest point with a straight taper to 3/8" tips, which should easily give me 55 - 65lb draw weight.

If you cut any reasonably straight UK hardwoods you can cut the timber into more manageable sizes, say, 1 and 1/14" square (for D section longbows - wider if you want to make a Meare Heath or similar flatbow) and if you follow the grain, even if it wanders slightly, you can always clamp or strap the green wood to 4 x 4 posts or steel scaffolding bars or similar to force it to dry straight. If you leave your timber unsplit or uncut, it takes longer to season and can suffer from cracking a lot more, but if you take the wood down closer to bow dimensions and seal the back with PVA glue, it is thin enough to clamp into straight, reflexed or deflex/reflex profiles and once it has mostly dried (which will only take a few weeks because of the smaller dimensions involved) it will hold that shape.

It's a great away of taking timber that wanders a little and making it as straight as you want it. I did this last year with some less than perfect Yew, Walnut and Hophornbeam and the resulting staves now offer me a choice of wheather to make selfbows or back them as laminates, but before clamping for seasoning I'd have thrown over half the timber away as unsuitable.

Think outside the box a little - you can achieve a lot with very little.

My tools, incidentally, are two small axes, a Nicholson rasp, a draw knife and three cabinet scrapers I use a chainsaw file for filing in the nocks and if you add a few sheets of good sandpaper in various grits and some good sealing oil (Danish or Tru-Oil are my favourites) then you're golden :)

You could try Flybow http://www.flybowshop.com/ for infrequent purchases of individual backing strips, or have a look for oriental garden centres for various bamboos. Be advised that bamboo is a bit of a pain to process and prepare, and that not all types make good backings. If you buy Hickory and have it sawn into 1/8", 3/16" or 1/4" thick strips, all you usually need to do is sand out any leftover saw marks and use as is (provided you had it cut with the grain correctly oriented). Aslo be advised that most folks use far too thick a Hickory backing, and Hickory can often overpower some belly woods. A 1/8" or 3/16" backing is more then enough unless you want to go into seriously heavy draw weights.

I'll lie down now, before I hurt myself ;)
 

Doc

Need to contact Admin...
Nov 29, 2003
2,109
10
Perthshire
You're not the only one. I now have two vipers, a borders flatbow, a bear recurve, a 35# no name recurve in a lovely wood and a couple of kids bows. Worse a friend is trying to convince me to buy another 4 recuves from him at a good price :rolleyes:

Sounds like Magikelly and Nonsuch have caught Bow Acquisition Syndrome from Josh. It's untreatable.

I still have only two, but I did see a Black Widow on UK ebay last week, and was sorely tempted. It went for £400. Of course the Black Widow and the Border bows are the 'Holy Grail' of recurves for many folks. And of course the Bears are pretty collectible too.
 

dwardo

Bushcrafter through and through
Aug 30, 2006
6,454
476
46
Nr Chester
I do a lot of selfbows as well, in timber I cut and season myself. My favourite UK bow woods are Laburnum (leave the sapwood on and use like you would Yew) and Wych Elm, with Dogwood, Ash, Walnut, Sycamore and others also readily available.

I bought my Lemonwood about 20 years or so ago from a hardwood importer who was holding a bankruptcy sale. I got half a dozen substantial planks and two of them had old-fashioned importers wax labels on them, and one of them was dated 1910 !

Most areas have a specialist hardwood importer/dealer if you look hard enough. Here in the North East you could try Hexhamshire Hardwoods or John Boddys. Both regularly stock Greenheart, Purpleheart, Ipe, Lemowood and Hickory, among others.

Similar suppliers are dotted all over the UK, and if you look for high-end decking suppliers they will usually stock Ipe decking boards. Don't go for thick pieces of Ipe - it is so dense that very little is required to make a big bow. A 1 and 1/18" wide by 3/4" thick piece of Ipe with a 1/8" or 1/4" Hickory backing strip will make a very, very heavy bow if you do it right, and don't forget that if you glue in any reflex or deflex/reflex you effectively massively increase the draw weight from the same materials.

I have a Hickory backed Ipe 62" "bunny bow" in progress at present which is 5mm thick Hickory backing on just over 1/2" thick Ipe. It feels like a little twig, but it pulls just under 50lb @ 30" at the moment. All I'm getting at is if you can source Ipe then don't buy it in thick pieces. I intend making a D longbow in a few weeks with very lightly reflexed tips and it will have a 1/8" Hickory backing over 3/4" thick Ipe at the grip, around an inch wide at the widest point with a straight taper to 3/8" tips, which should easily give me 55 - 65lb draw weight.

If you cut any reasonably straight UK hardwoods you can cut the timber into more manageable sizes, say, 1 and 1/14" square (for D section longbows - wider if you want to make a Meare Heath or similar flatbow) and if you follow the grain, even if it wanders slightly, you can always clamp or strap the green wood to 4 x 4 posts or steel scaffolding bars or similar to force it to dry straight. If you leave your timber unsplit or uncut, it takes longer to season and can suffer from cracking a lot more, but if you take the wood down closer to bow dimensions and seal the back with PVA glue, it is thin enough to clamp into straight, reflexed or deflex/reflex profiles and once it has mostly dried (which will only take a few weeks because of the smaller dimensions involved) it will hold that shape.

It's a great away of taking timber that wanders a little and making it as straight as you want it. I did this last year with some less than perfect Yew, Walnut and Hophornbeam and the resulting staves now offer me a choice of wheather to make selfbows or back them as laminates, but before clamping for seasoning I'd have thrown over half the timber away as unsuitable.

Think outside the box a little - you can achieve a lot with very little.

My tools, incidentally, are two small axes, a Nicholson rasp, a draw knife and three cabinet scrapers I use a chainsaw file for filing in the nocks and if you add a few sheets of good sandpaper in various grits and some good sealing oil (Danish or Tru-Oil are my favourites) then you're golden :)

You could try Flybow http://www.flybowshop.com/ for infrequent purchases of individual backing strips, or have a look for oriental garden centres for various bamboos. Be advised that bamboo is a bit of a pain to process and prepare, and that not all types make good backings. If you buy Hickory and have it sawn into 1/8", 3/16" or 1/4" thick strips, all you usually need to do is sand out any leftover saw marks and use as is (provided you had it cut with the grain correctly oriented). Aslo be advised that most folks use far too thick a Hickory backing, and Hickory can often overpower some belly woods. A 1/8" or 3/16" backing is more then enough unless you want to go into seriously heavy draw weights.

I'll lie down now, before I hurt myself ;)

I have scowered all of the local timber merchants and if it isnt pine or oak they are just not interested. My favourite at the min is wych elm, with hazel and ash a close second.
I will get into laminates one day as it seems to open up a whole new leg of this bow making adiction. It also seems that you can get away with a lot more in relation to grain when laminating. I would really love to try laburnam and i have pestered a few owners of said trees but no luck yet. What glue are you using for the lams?
 

Xunil

Settler
Jan 21, 2006
671
3
55
North East UK
www.bladesmith.co.uk
I use TiteBond III for all my laminated bows (Axminster carry it).

I can't be bothered to get into making a temperature controlled heat box for curing epoxy bow glues, and I've never had an issue with TiteBond III on any of the laminates I've tried it on and so I see no reason to change. A good TiteBond III bond will see the laminates themselves break before the glue shears.

You can violate rings on belly slats up to a point provided you have a good, clean backing strip on top to hold it all together, but don't go too far with ring violations because there's only so much you can get away with.

I meant to add that Ash is a superb backing material for many belly woods. Hickory is a little too aggressive on some bellies, while Ash and even Maple work very well on the less dense belly woods. Our native Sycamore is very similar to Maple (I've been told that it is, in fact, a type of Maple but I don't know whether that is fact or fiction) and although it works well on its own for wider Meare Heath style flatbows, there is no reason why it wouldn't also make a nice backing for one of the lighter weight hardwoods provided you don't go too narrow or too highly stacked.
 
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MagiKelly

Making memories since '67
Sounds like Magikelly and Nonsuch have caught Bow Acquisition Syndrome from Josh. It's untreatable

I blame John as my pusher. He even did the classic try one for free approach which worked well for him and has been since. He is currently trying to get me to try the Bear takedown but as I know these retail for about $1600 I am scared to try it as I know I will like it.
 
May 31, 2010
5
0
Scotland
Hi All

I used to have a few compound bows but sold them all.. I currently have a Horton Black Hawk Crossbow. It was a beast of a thing when I first got it a few years back, and its hell to draw it. Its not bad its accurate up to around 40 yards, unfortuantly I have heard quieter rifles going off than this thing.
 

Bushwhacker

Banned
Jun 26, 2008
3,882
8
Dorset
Amerindian bow made from Leopard wood and silk grass.
The silk grass drawstring is wrapped around the bow in case of breakages, so you always have a spare to hand.

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Nonsuch

Life Member
Sep 19, 2008
1,862
1
Scotland, looking at mountains
Here's the new Bowtec Thunderbolt from Dave Folwell (Bowtec)

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...and here's me shooting it for the first time

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I found the Viper very satisfactory but the Thunderbolt is quite a bit faster and has no hand shock that I can detect. The arrows follow a flatter trajectory which seems to lead to fewer vertical ranging errors when shooting unmarked-distance NFAS field courses. I had to change my anchor point (higher) and then my consistency and scores really improved. For the time being I am cured of BAS (Bow Acquisition Syndrome) !

NS
 
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marcelxl

Settler
May 2, 2010
638
0
Kamloops, B.C.
(hope nobody minds a thread resurrection!?)

Seeing as I got a new toy today and had a sort out, my arrow flingers.......

This came today, Bodnik (Bearpaw) Raven. 45lb @ 28" (all my bows are this weight)
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Can't tell you much about how it shoots get, a couple of doz on the drive (short range) with carbons and woods and all I have deduced is that she benefits from string silencers........... first impressions are that I love her though! Cannot wait until Sunday now to hit the course and the 3D's. Not sure either Whether it will be shot in AFB or BB class yet.
(I shoot BB with split fingers but in competition I now find myself always behind the 3 under & string walking posse!)
Unsure about the arrows right now, I have some POC's ready and some 500sp. Powerflights to try her with

KG Osprey.
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My HT (hunting tackle) rig
Beautiful bow, have my reservations on how accurate she is but a joy to shoot but a bit of a bitch to tune! She seems to hate carbons but she flings woods with pleasure. Outstanding craftsmanship and made in the UK. KG are a excellent to deal with.
With 5/16 POC's 125gr points and a homemade quiver courtesy of my mate Ken (Ukken)
She will shoot 500 Powerflights at a push though

Hoyt Dorado.
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With Bow mounted quiver
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And without.
Awesome bow, and wicked fast as she is only 60", I have recently put a fastflight endless loop string and she is now TOO FAST! I get nil arrow feedback from her now. Deadly accurate and solid with a shoot through riser so no paradox issues and packs up and comes in the neat little bag (shown)
Probably my ultimate field barebow rig although I stubbornly stick with off the shelf & split fingers, costs me comps but I do it my way!
Spits out arrows like no other bow I have shot. Love it but it is a little characterless.
Shoots 400 spine Easton Powerflights

Lastly.........

Bear Truth II
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60lb & 30"
Lost the love for the wheelie bows now although I am capable of doing well with them having hit MB scores at will on the targets and nicked a couple of opens in U/L class. Find them a bit clinical though now and as my mate says "like eating a bag of chips"
I do like this bow and should get out for a round with it soon......... loving the instinctive thing too much though!
Currently set up with a 5 pin and to 400 spine Easton FMJ's with an eye on this coming year when I am living in Canada!

I usually shoot with a wrist/finger release for field shooting but I have tru ball thumb release too

I have some Easton Lightspeeds and a Copper John if I ever want to get back on the circles even though she is hardly a "target bow"

Wicked fast though and light in the hand.

All together.......
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Anyone else with shiney new bows they need to show off!?

Cheers!

Marc
 
Mar 28, 2011
9
0
Pembrokeshire
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I mostly made this bow ages ago but have just finished it properly. It shoots fast and on target, so I'm more than happy with it. I has a small radial crack alongside the biggest knot, but it hasn't grown for the last 200 odd arrows, so I think it's gonna survive. :)
 

GordonM

Settler
Nov 11, 2008
866
51
Virginia, USA
Here is my old school wheel bow (relative to today's compound offerings), it is a Bear Magnum Hunter 53 lbs. at 27 1/2 inches. I've been shooting this bow since the early 90's and it has many Whitetail harvests to it's credit. This is a smooth shooting, old bow.

 
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