Remember, Remember...
- Thread starter Wayland
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I thank the gods we live far enough away from anywhere big to even see the damn things, let alone hear them. One neighbour has had her (many) grandchildren here for their do tonight, but they did the whole performance with grace and humour, the kids and the rest of us enjoyed it and it's all cleared up and sorted already; they're all back in the house for a bit of a hoolie and all's well with the world 
The sound of gunfire and mortar rounds, the flashes of the explosions, the smell of burning and the screams of children. Oh sorry, it's bonfire night, for a second I thought I was back in Beirut. :AR15firin:BlueTeamE: 
Does anyone else in their 40's or above remember having big bonfires on "Victoria Night"? It's a bit fuzzy in my head but I remember it in warm weather and long nights, with big communal fires. Can't for the life of me remember what it was about or exactly what time of year - which is unusual for me. Any help from the hive mind?
Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.
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My favourite quote from V for Vendetta is when he meets Evey in the allyway...
Eloquent whilst at the same time sinister.
Can't think of the 5th of November now without thinking of V for Vendetta... a very clever comic and a decent attempt at putting it onto the big screen.
V said:
Eloquent whilst at the same time sinister.
Can't think of the 5th of November now without thinking of V for Vendetta... a very clever comic and a decent attempt at putting it onto the big screen.
Do you know ? from reading the quotes on this thread, I'm rather glad I have never read or seen the V thing at all
History is too easily turned into a soap opera that becomes 'believed', and I have worked behind the scenes in too many films to believe the final cut is in any way an accurate reflection of reality.
M
History is too easily turned into a soap opera that becomes 'believed', and I have worked behind the scenes in too many films to believe the final cut is in any way an accurate reflection of reality.
M
Those that they wish to destroy the Gods first make mad.
Those countries that they wish to destroy they first destroy their faith in Government and their democratic system. The process is well along.
Roman Catholicism was promoting the destruction of Tudoe and Stuart England as it had the Church in Britain with its mission to the Anglo-Saxons and the crusade it preached against Harold II before Hastings along with stuff like the Interdict the Middle Ages.
Of course Henry VIII and Elizabeth were also pretty bloody.
Those countries that they wish to destroy they first destroy their faith in Government and their democratic system. The process is well along.
Roman Catholicism was promoting the destruction of Tudoe and Stuart England as it had the Church in Britain with its mission to the Anglo-Saxons and the crusade it preached against Harold II before Hastings along with stuff like the Interdict the Middle Ages.
Of course Henry VIII and Elizabeth were also pretty bloody.
It's a story of a dystopian society not too dissimilar to George Orwell's 1984 M... it is a great story that intertwines the story of Guy Fawkes with that of a man who was medically experimented on. That man vows a vendetta against the system, escapes his captors and brings down the government from the inside by doing what Guy Fawkes (or arguably not, depending on who's history you believe) failed to do.
The film turns it into a love story more than anything else, whereas the comic V uses Evey, and she isn't the mid-twenties career girl we see in the film.
Not everyone's cup of tea, but then Moore wrote the original as a response to a certain Iron Lady.
Unfortunately the imagery of the comic and the film has been hijacked by people who fail to see that what they're doing is no better than the politically-correct government of both the comic and the film.
The film turns it into a love story more than anything else, whereas the comic V uses Evey, and she isn't the mid-twenties career girl we see in the film.
Not everyone's cup of tea, but then Moore wrote the original as a response to a certain Iron Lady.
Unfortunately the imagery of the comic and the film has been hijacked by people who fail to see that what they're doing is no better than the politically-correct government of both the comic and the film.
I read V for Vendetta when it was first published in 'Warrior' magazine in the early eighties, the magazine folded before the tale was complete and decades past before I learned that the remaining chapters had been published as a graphic novel.
Alan Moore's story along with David Lloyd art is a work of genius, possibly the best 'comic' ever created.
The film of the same name is a travesty.
Alan Moore's story along with David Lloyd art is a work of genius, possibly the best 'comic' ever created.
The film of the same name is a travesty.
Blimey... not sure I'd go that far... I agree the artwork was bordering on genius, but Moore 'borrowed' a lot of his ideas, his genius was using those ideas to create a character that both had a heart, and had no heart at the same time.
The film, in its own right, had to be 'Hollywooded' which was annoying, but it was a decent effort and despite the compromises made with, well, pretty much every character in the comic they still managed to pull off a story that struck a cord with the western world. I think Moore was a little rash in his judgment, probably because it his vision wasn't literally translated onto the screen... but V for Vendetta is becoming/has become a cult film, something iconic and a symbol. He should be proud of both his story telling and the adaptation that has spawned so much mimickery.
I just wish, as I said before, that people understood the core message rather than glorifying the demolition of the establishment. Absolute power corrupts absolutely... and yes, I know, getting too political... I'll stop there.
Blimey... not sure I'd go that far...
Subjective viewing??
I dunno, but given the constraints of bringing it to a mainstream audience, they were always going to have to simplify the argument, make the villains a bit more bitey and remove the controversial 'underage' element.I reckon the comic/book got the ending right rather than the film, but then the film's ending appeals to the masses.
And then the masses abuse the imagery.
Arghhhhhhhhh!
Goatboy's comment about the bonfires on Victoria Day minded me of them too.
Not common in the area I grew up, though it was marked at Primary School with flags of the Commonwealth, but most of my family came originally from the East of the country, and there it was a bigger event than Guy Fawkes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Day_(Scotland)
Empire Day/Victoria Day - 24th May
Flags were flown from public buildings and schools decorated classrooms with flags of the British Empire. The name was changed to Commonwealth Day. The nearest Monday to 24th May was a local trades holiday in many parts of Scotland to celebrate Queen Victoria's birthday and the tradition has continued long after Queen Victoria's reign.
http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/res...&QUICKSEARCH=1&search_term=victoria+day,+fire
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...LR#v=onepage&q=victoria day, bonfires&f=false
Not common in the area I grew up, though it was marked at Primary School with flags of the Commonwealth, but most of my family came originally from the East of the country, and there it was a bigger event than Guy Fawkes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victoria_Day_(Scotland)
Empire Day/Victoria Day - 24th May
Flags were flown from public buildings and schools decorated classrooms with flags of the British Empire. The name was changed to Commonwealth Day. The nearest Monday to 24th May was a local trades holiday in many parts of Scotland to celebrate Queen Victoria's birthday and the tradition has continued long after Queen Victoria's reign.
http://www.scran.ac.uk/database/res...&QUICKSEARCH=1&search_term=victoria+day,+fire
https://books.google.co.uk/books?id...LR#v=onepage&q=victoria day, bonfires&f=false
Cheers Toddy,
Didn't realise it had become Commonwealth Day. Was a big thing as a kid, then it disapeared overnight. Don't remember it being celebrated after about '74/'75. Big fires though, which the arsonist in me enjoyed.
The V comic was pretty darn good. Film a bit of a washout.
Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.
Didn't realise it had become Commonwealth Day. Was a big thing as a kid, then it disapeared overnight. Don't remember it being celebrated after about '74/'75. Big fires though, which the arsonist in me enjoyed.
The V comic was pretty darn good. Film a bit of a washout.
Sent via smoke-signal from a woodland in Scotland.
Grubby wee boys with bogies asking for a penny for the guy.........and you knew they'd spend it on bangers
And bangers then did BANG, not wee squit of squibs.
cheers,
Toddy
Bangers are now illegal, not long after I blew up my last whatever someone banned them.
http://m.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/8491331.Illegal_bangers_spark_fireworks_warning/
Black cat bangers too!
