Remember, Remember...

wicca

Native
Oct 19, 2008
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If I look up river from where I sit typing this, I can see the glow in the night sky of the big fires at Lewes. By tradition tonight is a special night for local people, as much to do with the burning at the stake of 17 Protestants as the Gunpowder plot itself. The Pope's effigy gets burned every year, ironically within sight of the 17 'Lewes Martyrs' whose memorial stands on the Downs on the edge of town.
To date, the never ending efforts of the politically correct, the Elfin Safety warriors and those desperate to eradicate the annual event which as a local I know is more about an excuse for a chance to dress up, play with fire and fireworks and generally have a hoolie than it is about any lasting hatred of Catholics, the Pope or anyone else who feels threatened...ah! hang on..politicians...mmmm? Ok stand down on my last..:lmao::lmao:
 

Toddy

Mod
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Jan 21, 2005
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Hmmmm. Mary Tudor had 283 people burned alive.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_I_of_England

Thing is, our certain past was their very uncertain future.

cheers,
Toddy

p.s.
Knew I'd read this bit somewhere....

On 5 November 1605 Londoners were encouraged to celebrate the King's escape from assassination by lighting bonfires, "always provided that 'this testemonye of joy be carefull done without any danger or disorder'". An Act of Parliament designated each 5 November as a day of thanksgiving for "the joyful day of deliverance", and remained in force until 1859.
 
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JonathanD

Ophiological Genius
Sep 3, 2004
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V for Vendetta. What a film. Some superb quotes in there...


V: More than 400 years ago a great citizen wished to embed the fifth of November forever in our memory. His hope was to remind the world that fairness, justice, and freedom are more than words, they are perspectives. So if you've seen nothing, if the crimes of government remain unknown to you, then I suggest you allow the fifth of November to pass unmarked.


V: People should not be afraid of their governments. Governments should be afraid of their people.


Evey Hammond: [voiceover] Remember, remember, the Fifth of November, the Gunpowder Treason and Plot. I know of no reason why the Gunpowder Treason should ever be forgot... But what of the man? I know his name was Guy Fawkes and I know, in 1605, he attempted to blow up the Houses of Parliament. But who was he really? What was he like? We are told to remember the idea, not the man, because a man can fail. He can be caught, he can be killed and forgotten, but 400 years later, an idea can still change the world. I've witnessed first hand the power of ideas, I've seen people kill in the name of them, and die defending them... but you cannot kiss an idea, cannot touch it, or hold it... ideas do not bleed, they do not feel pain, they do not love... And it is not an idea that I miss, it is a man... A man that made me remember the Fifth of November. A man that I will never forget.


V: ...A building is a symbol, as is the act of destroying it. Symbols are given power by people. A symbol, in and of itself is powerless, but with enough people behind it, blowing up a building can change the world.


V: [during his BTN broadcast] Today, however, is a day, sadly, no longer remembered. So, I thought we could mark this November the 5th by taking some time out of our daily lives to sit down and have a little chat. Of course, there are those who do not want us to speak. I suspect, even now, orders are being shouted into telephones and men with guns are racing to this station. But regardless of what weapons they try to use to effect silence, words will always retain their power. Words are the means to meaning, and for some, the annunciation of truth. And the truth is, there is something terribly wrong with this country.


V: There's no certainty - only opportunity.


Valerie: I know there's no way I can convince you this is not one of their tricks, but I don't care, I am me. My name is Valerie, I don't think I'll live much longer and I wanted to tell someone about my life. This is the only autobiography I'll ever write, and god, I'm writing it on toilet paper. I was born in Nottingham in 1985, I don't remember much of those early years, but I do remember the rain. My grandmother owned a farm in Tuttlebrook, and she use to tell me that god was in the rain. I passed my 11th lesson into girl's grammar; it was at school that I met my first girlfriend, her name was Sara. It was her wrists. They were beautiful. I thought we would love each other forever. I remember our teacher telling us that is was an adolescent phase people outgrew. Sara did, I didn't. In 2002, I fell in love with a girl named Christina. That year I came out to my parents. I couldn't have done it without Chris holding my hand. My father wouldn't look at me, he told me to go and never come back. My mother said nothing. But I had only told them the truth, was that so selfish? Our integrity sells for so little, but it is all we really have. It is the very last inch of us, but within that inch, we are free. I'd always known what I wanted to do with my life, and in 2015 I starred in my first film, "The Salt Flats". It was the most important role of my life, not because of my career, but because that was how I met Ruth. The first time we kissed, I knew I never wanted to kiss any other lips but hers again. We moved to a small flat in London together. She grew Scarlet Carsons for me in our window box, and our place always smelled of roses. Those were there best years of my life. But America's war grew worse, and worse. And eventually came to London. After that there were no roses anymore. Not for anyone. I remember how the meaning of words began to change. How unfamiliar words like "collateral" and "rendition" became frightening. While things like Norse Fire and The Articles of Allegiance became powerful, I remember how different became dangerous. I still don't understand it, why they hate us so much. They took Ruth while she was out buying food. I've never cried so hard in my life. It wasn't long till they came for me. It seems strange that my life should end in such a terrible place, but for three years, I had roses, and apologized to no one. I shall die here. Every inch of me shall perish. Every inch, but one. An Inch, it is small and it is fragile, but it is the only thing the world worth having. We must never lose it or give it away. We must never let them take it from us. I hope that whoever you are, you escape this place. I hope that the world turns and that things get better. But what I hope most of all is that you understand what I mean when I tell you that even though I do not know you, and even though I may never meet you, laugh with you, cry with you, or kiss you. I love you. With all my heart, I love you. -Valerie
 

Barn Owl

Old Age Punk
Apr 10, 2007
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Jings, that mask reminds me of you Martin.

Even more so than Bernie wearing one.....

was I that drunk at that one?
 

johnboy

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Oct 2, 2003
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Hamilton NZ
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An even better book...

Don't you mean Graphic Novel...

The film Sells Alan Moore's Genius very short...IMHO..

Moore was quoted as saying that the comic book had been "specifically about things like fascism and anarchy. Those words, 'fascism' and 'anarchy,' occur nowhere in the film. It's been turned into a Bush-era parable by people too timid to set a political satire in their own country."
 

Thenihilist

Nomad
Oct 3, 2011
301
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Fife, Scotland
I don't think the Stuart's were brutally oppressive.........unless one were a witch :rolleyes: Mary Tudor on the other hand is still known as Bloody Mary.

How did the Monty Python quote go ?
"No one 'expected' the Spanish Inquisition!" didn't stop them being terrified it'd come here though.

M

You would expect the Spanish inquisition though as you were notified in advance
 

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