Remember, Remember...

[Wayland]

The only man to enter Parliament with an honest intention and a clear idea.

 

[Miyagi]

+1 that man

 

[Toddy]

"Remember, remember the fifth of November,
Gunpowder, treason and plot!
I see no reason, why gunpowder treason
should ever be forgot."

Thinking on it..........do you think it's the old British equivalent of the Twin Towers shock to the nation ?
Over four hundred years later we're still burning the effigy of the man.

cheers,
Toddy

 

[Miyagi]

I think it very well may have been the equivalent M, if it had gone bang.

Liam

 

[Toddy]

I know it was nothing like the scale of the attrocity, but it really rocked the nation at the time.

Hear ? Does anyone else mind Guy Fawkes as the biggest clear out of houses, sheds, and clutter, of the entire year ?
Enormous tipi sized fires that burned through the night until the next morning. The smell of gunpowder in the fog ?
Grubby wee boys with bogies asking for a penny for the guy.........and you knew they'd spend it on bangers
And bangers then did BANG, not wee squit of squibs.

cheers,
Toddy

 

[mrcairney]

The actual story of Guy Fawkes etc, is far more about religion than politics but I shan't go into that here, for obvious reasons.

 

[blacktimberwolf]

He he he !.......cool, a political thread..

 

[blacktimberwolf]

Well that mask is from the movie V for Vendetta a freedom fighter & anarchist, he may have blown up the Houses of parliament,but Guy Fawkes he ain't

 

[blacktimberwolf]

Grubby wee boys with bogies asking for a penny for the guy.........and you knew they'd spend it on bangers

When I was a kid, you had to be over 18 to buy fireworks !

 

[Toddy]

Eh, no....it's a thread about the continuation of the celebration of the defeat of a treasonous plot.

That the religious aspects and the political ones were inseperable at the time isn't the discussion. Mary Tudor had a nation terrified that the Spanish inquisition was the next step. That the last attempted invasion (Spanish Armada ? remember? ) of the country came even after Mary was dead, and her sister on the throne, simply reinforced the determination.
The King that Guy Fawkes and his cronies tried to blow up was their cousin's son since neither lady had any surviving children.

Modern re-writing of history doesn't remove the facts.

Toddy

 

[Barn Owl]

I do so remember all that would burn being collected Mary.

it's only in the past 3-4 yrs that my village hasn't had a bonfire.

Guess who kept pulling the material down?

Yep the council.

Not an injury in a few generations but stopped just in case.

 

[John Fenna]

When I was a kid, you had to be over 18 to buy fireworks !

Tsch - youth of today cannot be trusted with explosives - when I were a lad you could buy penny bangers at any age - as long as you had a penny and enough physical ability to stand there and ask for a penny banger!
In my day you were expected to blow your own fingers/arm/head off and accept it was your own fault and not go bleating for "compensation"!
Nanny blummen state!
Compensation culture!
If you do summat daft and get hurt it was you that did the summat daft - suck it up!

 

[Toddy]

Catherine wheels.............never could get the damned things to work properly

That said, my cat's terrified she's curled up at the very back of the linen cupboard.

M

 

[Wayland]

I love the smell of gunpowder in the evening...

 

[British Red]

Eh, no....it's a thread about the continuation of the celebration of the defeat of a treasonous plot.

That the religious aspects and the political ones were inseperable at the time isn't the discussion. Mary Tudor had a nation terrified that the Spanish inquisition was the next step. That the last attempted invasion (Spanish Armada ? remember? ) of the country came even after Mary was dead, and her sister on the throne, simply reinforced the determination.
The King that Guy Fawkes and his cronies tried to blow up was their cousin's son since neither lady had any surviving children.

Modern re-writing of history doesn't remove the facts.

Toddy

It was an interesting time....arguably a treasonous terrorist aiming to murder .....arguably a freedom fighter aiming to resist appallingly brutal religious oppression ....arguably two bunches of deluded people fighting about invented dogma.

Either way, if you have never been, The Lewes "Pope Burning" is a fantastic spectacle - right up there with Ottery tar barrels or Up Helly Aa

 

[Harvestman]

I've never really understood the fireworks thing. "Hey guys, lets celebrate the successful foiling of a terrorist plot by setting off some explosives of our own!"

But I'm a humbug . Have fun tonight, and be safe.

 

[Toddy]

It's a beautiful night for it here Really cold and misty All I can smell is the gunpowder
Tamsin's still terrified though she's a wee bundle of misery cooried in on my lap.

M

 

[TeeDee]

right up there with Ottery tar barrels

In case you were wondering.

http://www.otterytarbarrels.co.uk/

 

[Toddy]

I don't think the Stuart's were brutally oppressive.........unless one were a witch Mary Tudor on the other hand is still known as Bloody Mary.

How did the Monty Python quote go ?
"No one 'expected' the Spanish Inquisition!" didn't stop them being terrified it'd come here though.

M

 

[British Red]

I don't think the Stuart's were brutally oppressive.........unless one were a witch Mary Tudor on the other hand is still known as Bloody Mary.

I suspect the eighty five martyrs felt differently about that

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eighty-five_martyrs_of_England_and_Wales

Meh - thay were all as bad as one another if you ask me...