Open invitation arctic meet 2017

bopdude

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On a positive note, it's going to be cold, all 'should' be frozen, we're getting picked up / dropped off by people staying local to our planned location, insider knowledge on how things are will be invaluable and plans made based on that info, no-one is going under :)

Internet history, I hadn't thought of that ;)
 

lannyman8

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Hey dewi. I have one of these from the evil bay...
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Also dont forget gents you will need this with the skid "mat" type toboggan.

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Dave

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Bloody full moon! Been up since 3am.

Yeh, the reason the running line goes on the outside like that, is that, that is your front and back grab handle. Its the same principle as a laced canoe. So when you pull from the front or back, you are pulling the entire rope, distributing the energy evenly. otherwise, like the loaded canoe, if you just grabbed the front plastic, and pulled it would snap off.

[Now on a 5mm or 6mm tobogan, you could easily use them as cinching lines as well, but as ours Al, is only 3mm tyvar, it would bend the sled in a U shape. Which is why i put pot rivets down the middle of my tobbogan, so I can use them to strap around the luggage and it wont pull up into a u shape as easily. as we spoke about]

[I had to buy 500 rivets from screwfix instead of the 8 i needed. So anyone needs long rivets, drop me a line.]


I also have a loop 2loop connection, and a ten foot safety line dragging off the back of the boggan, [again, as you do in a canoe, so if you fell out, and the canoe kept going you had something to grab onto.] Or in this case, the person behind you grabs it. Mines polypropelene, floating 8mm bright viz rope;

Its also wise to have a bit of elastic. I used bungee cords, on my pulling strap. It just sets off a lot easier, and you dont use as much energy. Also wise to have a little system to make the hauling strap shorter in the woods.

If you went into the ice. Hyperthermia, does not happen instantly, youve gotta keep your gob shut, and take the initial shock, and your bodys reaction will be to take a deep breath in. So long as you dont do that under the water, you could tread water for 10 minutes without getting hyperthermia.

I have a dry bag near the top of my kit, specifically marked. EMERGENCY CLOTHING. And a towel on top of it. Thats a complete set of clothes just the same as the ones ive just taken off. I dont want to b searching through your kit, whilst your hyperthermic, looking for your trousers!

Clothing wise. EVERYTHING you are wearing, you need a duplicate of.

You get out the same way you came in, kicking your legs like crazy, to try and get you up, and then using your ski poles, ice picks, to get out. Belly up like a seal. [when walking with your ski poles, if you take them, you dont put your wrists in the loop as you would do normally] I'll be taking a throw bag, or the person behind you would be carrying it. If you cannot get out like that you have to reach down and take off your snow shoes. Then get out. Although I think it'd be easier to just pull you out.

The person with the throw bag looks up, gets eye contact wit the man in the water, then shouts 'rope' at the top of their voice and aims to throw the bag directly over your head. And you grab the rope. Which lands neatly draped over your head.

Once your out, everyone strips you down, covers you in your mother coat, gets your Emergency clothing bag out, gets your towel out for you, whilst someone else is lighting a fire on the shore. We all get you warm. Get you a brew on.

But I doubt that will happen.

When walking through the woods, on uneven territory Dewis sled will excel, whilst i think its best, that toboggans shorten their harnesses, and the person behind you is close enough to hold your back grab handle, because if the sled slides off sideways off the side of the path, normally into deep snow, as youre trying to get round a tree. Which happens a fair bit, the sled can go upside down, or on its side, or kit falls off, and its an exhausting situation, to get it all back on the path, and reload it.

There are other things that would apply equally well, like hand signals, such as you never point toward danger. Always away from it.

Or if youre out of earshot,if someone pats their head with their hand a few times, it means are you ok?
If you dont pat your head a few times, in return, we have to come over and check you out.

We'll do a few things on hyperthermia, like stick your foot in the snow for a while, and then hand, buddy up, and stick it under the other persons armpit. [Chris takes a size 15 shoe, so he'll just stick his toes under your armpit, or in any other warm crevice he can find.]
 
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bopdude

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Been awake a while myself, tried to roll over and get back off but gave in, now having a coffee :) I like the pat your head signing idea, 10 week countdown lads :D
 

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I was going to take a shovel but not sure, Pete was saying about us not all having to take 5 / 6 of everything, still thinking of one though ? Also, the bivi boots are on special at Tamarack, down to £36.
 

Dave

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Bivi boots, pipe and slippers? Thats the stuff you wont be able to fit in, when youre trying to squeeze your bag down. :)

Yeh, Pete was on about stoves I think,and group cooking stuff. Everyone should have a shovel IMO. You wouldnt leave your knife behind. Shovels important.

Ive got a pair of nanok sleeping socks Al. [£20] http://www.basecampstockport.co.uk/prodlevel2.asp?productid=13022012122722

And a pair of short neo overboots, if i wanted to take them, to go over the nanoks, but they'l be sacrificed no doubt for weight and bulk purposes. I'd take them if we were staying in a cabin.

I was hoping to take my long traditional snowshoes, but I think they'll be sacrificed as well. :(

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Dewi, just a suggestion, but I think when you start sacrificing stuff, consider getting rid of the cot bed. Which is a massive weight and bulk. We may well not be able to dig down to the ground. And I know you think it will be more comfortable, but with a good bag and sleeping pad, you'll be as snug a a bug in a rug.
 
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Dave

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Its not my fault youre related to bigfoot.

Heres another video to watch. :) starring the Marrones from LOTN and Garret Connover. [Author of a snow walkers companion]

Most of the guys on the trip here, including the 18 year old girls are newbies, so, if they can handle it, you all can.


[video=youtube;aJ5EmldH3ZY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aJ5EmldH3ZY[/video]
 
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lannyman8

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No mate, I just read your tinder app biography, and it stated 'willing stick foot in any warm crevice' Dewi went to public school, so it'll be a walk down memory lane for him.
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lannyman8

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Seen most of them Dave they do awesome trips. They dont seem to mind getting wet and risking going through the ice though???? I thought that was a bit strange...

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Dave

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Seen most of them Dave they do awesome trips. They dont seem to mind getting wet and risking going through the ice though???? I thought that was a bit strange...

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I dont know buddy, they are the best at it I guess, so they know they're boundaries. The one thing Im not up for, is setting up big tents like snowtrekkers every night, then taking them down and repacking them every morning. That'd be exhausting.
 

Dave

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Yeh, I didnt really think about mine as a system, but i can sleep in the nanok socks, in the bag, the neo overboots slip over them, and are just really formless things.
I ended up with that set up because i just happened to find the neo overboots for in a shop for a fiver!

Both of those overboots are very nice though. I'll take mine if i can fit them in. But i doubt it.
 
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Dave

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The best thing is just being there, just sitting there and soaking it in, and being part of it, and no noise, and the solitude, of the place. [which is much better felt alone Im sure. Or with a quiet partner]

You know when you go places sometimes and they have a feel like no other place. And you can tap into that. Which is very rare. Thats why im going i guess. its a unique experience. All your other problems drop away. You can clear your mind.

You dont want someone blabbing in your ear constantly. You want to be able to soak it in. Thats my philosophy on it anyway.

Also my tent, [our tent Ash] is my retreat. Not the gambling hall or saloon. Hopefully a quiet place to sleep. Because I will get fatigue/ migraines throughout the day and sometimes have to go lie down. I'd prefer group meals outside, sitting around a fire. Dont mean to sound anti-social just need to rest for a while when i get fatigue. Which happens every day whatever Im doing. And I lose my fine motor skills. So end up chopping off fingers if not careful.

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lannyman8

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Same here Dave. I need a good chill out after the last year or so and if its as i plan for it to be you cant put a cost on that.

I may well bugger of for a day on my own by the way.

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Dave

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Same here Dave. I need a good chill out after the last year or so and if its as i plan for it to be you cant put a cost on that.

I may well bugger of for a day on my own by the way.

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Yeh mate, I think we've had this conversation, and you and I are on the same page.
 

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