Offensive Weapons Act 2019: surrender and compensation scheme. December 2020 - March 2021

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Broch

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But antiques are still ok, arent they?

(i) Antiques are exempt from the Order and it is therefore not an offence to possess these weapons if they are antique - manufactured more than 100 years ago.
(ii) It is a defence to possess swords described in the Order if: (a) it is shown that the weapon was made before 1954 or was made at any other time according to the traditional methods of making swords by hand;
 

Tengu

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That makes sense, I suppose but it seems a bit arbitary, -why 1954?

And where would ethnographic collectables come into it??
 

slowworm

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Actually the prices seem to be on the low side for many items. A scope can easily cost £2,000 and a typical one around £500-£1000.

You also don't seem to be able to claim for unused amunition and reloading supplies and equipments, something that could cost well over £1000.

Just imagine if all bushcraft-style knifes were banned and you could only claim £20 per knife. I expect there'd be a few collectors a bit out of pocket!
 

Laurentius

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H'm sommat went wrong with my post there, forgotten what I was going to say now.
 
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C_Claycomb

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The government has deemed that semi-auto .22RF rifles do not pose large threat to life in the hands of terrorists or mass shooting nutters. There is much more scope for justification in use for pest control than there is for larger calibres that would be used for hunting larger and less numerous species.

Blow pipes were prohibited before, and they have simply increased the illegality of everything across the board. I know, it never made sense to me. Clearly someone got it in their head, back in 1988, that the risk of use as an assassination weapon was greater than any benefit that they might have for recreation. That was before the advances in DNA evidence. I can think of few ways today to incriminate yourself more thoroughly than to spit on the killer projectile as you send it on its way!
 
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Broch

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Actually the prices seem to be on the low side for many items. A scope can easily cost £2,000 and a typical one around £500-£1000.

You also don't seem to be able to claim for unused amunition and reloading supplies and equipments, something that could cost well over £1000.

Just imagine if all bushcraft-style knifes were banned and you could only claim £20 per knife. I expect there'd be a few collectors a bit out of pocket!

It says these are the minimum prices; there are ways of getting a verified valuation price. Ammo isn't included if it can be used in a non-banned firearm as far as I can tell.
 

Broch

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I would have thought reloading gear, mostly, was transferable and sellable. Lots of accessories too.

Yeh, that's one of the confusing bits - transferable sights and other accessories are included but reloading and ammo not.

Oh well, ours is not to reason why and all that ...
 

slowworm

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I would have thought reloading gear, mostly, was transferable and sellable. Lots of accessories too.
Not necessarily. The commonest lever release rifle is the 9mm and there aren't many other 9mm rifles about. So, your dies, cases, heads, prep tools and even powders may well be no use. Some are likely to give up shooting that discipline so will have no use for the equipment.

I can't work out the ammunition compensation wording, it seems to imply you'll not get anything if there is any other legal firearm option available even if you don't want to buy one.
 

Minotaur

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The surrender value of the firearms accessories strikes me as being a profit making opportunity!
I once had a conversation with a serous gun user after the ban and he was not happy about the surrender value of items. He basically got screwed on what his stuff was worth and then saw it for sale at the proper prices and he had friends who had the same experience.

Can you imagine the court case for owning a blow pipe? Would you not be able to own one if it was made according to the traditional methods by hand;
 

Laurentius

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Can you imagine the court case for owning a blow pipe? Would you not be able to own one if it was made according to the traditional methods by hand;
I submit that it is a peashooter m'lud, a rolled piece of tinplate with a soldered seam constructed in the traditional manner with a plastic mouthpiece.
 
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neoaliphant

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Someone on EdgeMatters who works in the legal field describe the people who write laws, not as thoughtful and well reasoned law makers, but as exhausted and overworked legal clerks attempting to produce a single document to satisfy multiple (often ego driven and warring) departments.

The answer to making "zombie" knives illegal is simple. People who buy huge, jagged, spiky knives painted with fake blood and designs glorifying beheading people, albeit fictional un-dead ones, are; not likely to have real need, have a warped childish idea of what is impressive and want to impress peers with same. I suspect that on average such people should not be allowed to indulge such desires. Why buy a scary looking knife unless part of you wants to scare people? Banning them doesn't solve the problem, but it chips away at it.

Curved swords are similar in that morons with blade fetishes fancied themselves samurai and bought cheap stamped out swords, then ran around the streets with them, sometimes naked. Longer swords give more reach which makes them more dangerous (in theory). How is a cheap samurai sword to be described, vs other swords? Its hard to write specifications like this, even if you know the subject. Looking for it to make technical sense is a lost cause because it is only partly about the technical. Its also driven by the behaviour of morons on the street and often by single brutal crimes.

We had a murder here in sleepy Wells, Somerset with a katana(ish)
i expect it appeals to the "impress me mates down the pub"
 

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