No heat instant/emergency food?

[Jared]

Flapjack bakery I've never heard before

https://www.blackfriarsbakery.co.uk/flapjacks/

Appears might be the source of latest British ORP ration flapjacks?

 

[Falstaff]

Found the you tube link so you can form an opinion/learning points for yourselves. It's easy to criticise, but I prefer to use it to learn points and mentally review my own methods and habits.

 

[Stew]

Found the you tube link so you can form an opinion/learning points for yourselves. It's easy to criticise, but I prefer to use it to learn points and mentally review my own methods and habits.

I'm glad that she has comments turned off as the internet can be so damning with all the 'experts'. Quite an interesting watch.

The analytical person in me wonders if the sit mat would have made much difference and also if food would have changed things much.

Fair play for her to actually make the call for rescue. I think it could be easy to watch that as if it's a film or tv show but that's some real fear and emotion going on there.

 

[ijohnson]

The thing in this thread that has perplexed me the most is how many folk are saying they don't like Kendal Mint Cake! I love the stuff.

As for the OP's question, in Book Of The Bivvy by Ronald Turnbull I recall he calculated that the most calorie dense/lightest/cheapest foodstuffs were pork pies and custard creams*. Doesn't sound too bad to me.

* I believe these can be substituted for bourbon creams if that better suits your preference!

 

[Pattree]

Trouble with pork pies and custard creams is that they may not survive long enough to be available in an emergency.

 

[Jared]

Fair play for her to actually make the call for rescue. I think it could be easy to watch that as if it's a film or tv show but that's some real fear and emotion going on there.

Yeah, October in JokkMokk, a 22 yo YouTuber died due to hypothermia, but seems to waited too late for making the call.

Think the lesson to learn, is not to solo either for the first attempts, or after you've had to deal with a major medical issue.

 

[Danceswithhelicopters]

Another consideration to what you bring is how does it perform in freezing conditions?

A Mars bar or a Snickers will break teeth and remove fillings when frozen, which is the last thing you want. Sone things like chocolate are tasteless when frozen-just when you want the psychological hit of something nutritional.

Think of foods that don't suck the moisture out of your mouth or make you thirstier than normal.

Also get things in bite size gobble sizes so you can portion control and share out. Big packets, gloves and cold hands equals difficulty in opening and handing around.

My go-to is sachets of peanut butter, flapjacks and Werther's for a morale boost amongst a group.

If you a brewing, tea always seems more digestible over coffee and the sachets with the built in milk and sugar are not exactly Artisinal single estate brews but they work both physiologically and psychologically. Stopping safely for a brew build morale, team spirit, gives thinking time and a chance to check over your group....and yourself.

The columns of plastic vending style cups are not exactly environmentally friendly but have their place in the lee of a hill dishing out a hot drink.

 

[Falstaff]

I agree, at that point any food might have helped her get thru the night or not, but by then she had already run out of energy. Had more calories been taken on much earlier, en route per Stonepark's observation, then she might have arrived sooner and in better shape and/or, been more aware and decided to bail and move down earlier.
Dehydration and energy loss can easily creep up on somebody without being recognised. Some folk suffer a loss of appetite when walking, so I suspect that a routine habit/discipline of eating and drinking is good practice. Not that I am very good in that regard myself.

 

[MikeLA]

Always carry on walks some of these jerky, dates, nuts, boiled sweets, protein bars, crackers and primula cheese tubes, wayfarer meals sometimes eat cold. Also some of the food mentioned already

 

[Stew]

Yeah, October in JokkMokk, a 22 yo YouTuber died due to hypothermia, but seems to waited too late for making the call.

Think the lesson to learn, is not to solo either for the first attempts, or after you've had to deal with a major medical issue.

Sorry but I disagree with that last part. Solo is what it is and she seems to have prepared but with a surprising turn of events health wise. She comes across like she had a lot of thought and planning. If she seemed reckless in how she came across then fair enough but for her to be that locked into the inability to carry on seems so out of the norm.

 

[Jared]

Sorry but I disagree with that last part. Solo is what it is and she seems to have prepared but with a surprising turn of events health wise. She comes across like she had a lot of thought and planning. If she seemed reckless in how she came across then fair enough but for her to be that locked into the inability to carry on seems so out of the norm.

Wasn't saying she was reckless. But think she would have benefitted with the mental aspect. Like having bad thoughts when the helicopter left.

She just needs a win, doesn't matter wether it's solo or not, and can always try a solo after.

 

[Falstaff]

She just needs a win, doesn't matter wether it's solo or not, and can always try a solo after.

That's an interesting perspective, I think you might be right about that.
UK Hillwalking were reporting on a woman doing a sucessful fastest solo route around I think, it was a set of Munroes, but I'm pretty sure she had done it with others first.
As Stew said, it appeared out of her norm rather than reckless, which is why I suspect food/energy deficiency. But maybe its purely lack of suitable training/recovery, or recurrence of previous health issues.

 

[Herman30]

To me she seemed like she needs to take more time to recover from cancer operation and build up her strength.

 

[JonathanD]

Trouble with pork pies and custard creams is that they may not survive long enough to be available in an emergency.

This is why you need to invest in a survival fridge freezer.

 

[haptalaon]

I do a variant on the Fandabi Bannock recipe on YouTube - he designed it to blend the qualities of pemmican, bannock and hard tack, and after a couple of practice runs mine taste gorgeous. You need to eat 2 to sustain you for the whole day similar to Lembas, and I def think they are filling.

The main ingredients are a flour, oats, and then fat (I use coconut oil but you can use a meaty one), some boiling water to hold it together, spices and flavourings, then bake forever in the oven.

I add chia seeds so you don't poop weird (source of fibre) , plus raisins and dark chocolate on top, but you can also make them savoury.

 

[haptalaon]

Found the you tube link so you can form an opinion/learning points for yourselves. It's easy to criticise, but I prefer to use it to learn points and mentally review my own methods and habits.

One of the scuba diving boards has a near misses and incidents discussion section. IMO it's a mature and valuable thing to share and discuss, a very good source for learning.

I keep a personal set of notes every time I go out camping with what went wrong and review them while packing. It's only ever small stuff but it's helpful

 

[Falstaff]

One of the scuba diving boards has a near misses and incidents discussion section. IMO it's a mature and valuable thing to share and discuss, a very good source for learning.

I keep a personal set of notes every time I go out camping with what went wrong and review them while packing. It's only ever small stuff but it's helpful

I do the same, post trip review with positives and negatives, and any changes to kit lists or future trips. e.g. I've already reported where I sort of fell into a river in flood.

Should we have a near misses and incidents discussion section. on this website? Trip reports are good and I enjoy reading them, but they're not the same thing.

 

[ijohnson]

Just remembered a very simple recipe that would be good emergency rations, though I've never used it for that. I've just eaten them for pleasure!

Ingredients
1/2 cup butter
3/4 cup granulated sugar
3 tablespoon cocoa
1/2 cup milk
3/4 cup chunky peanut butter
3 cups porridge oats

Instructions
Melt butter in a saucepan over medium heat.
Whisk in sugar, cocoa and milk.
Turn up heat and bring mixture to a full rolling boil for 1 minute.
Remove from heat.
Stir the chunky peanut butter into the chocolate mixture.
Add oats to the pan; mix all ingredients together till well combined.
Flatten out on a lightly greased baking tray (or use grease-proof paper if you prefer) and leave to cool.
Cut into slices of your preferred size once cool.

Nutrition
Calories: 101kcal | Carbohydrates: 10g | Protein: 2g | Fat: 6g | Saturated Fat: 2g | Cholesterol: 7mg | Sodium: 27mg | Potassium: 72mg | Fiber: 1g | Sugar: 5g | Vitamin A: 85IU | Calcium: 11mg | Iron: 0.5mg

 

[Falstaff]

They'll never to the outside,, yum..

 

[Pattree]

Terry Pratchet solved the problem of eating your emergency rations too soon with his “dwarf bread”. In an emergency you pull it out, look at it and decide that you’d rather eat anything else - like your boots - rather than that.

Kendal Mint Cake is perfect survival food for those who don’t like it! If you don’t want to eat it then you’re not desperate enough yet!