Mesolithic Boat Build and Enclosure

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THOaken

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THOaken, Other Chatter is by far the busier forum.

Toddy

I just thought you'd support the move to the Crafts area since obviously that's what this is and it fits better, but it's okay. I'm with you. No problem. :)

I'm really enjoying seeing how this is coming along. The only other one I've seen was when Belzeebob23 was involved in the Crannog one using bronze tools. The methods you're using will take longer but very much worth the effort.

She's a good sized stick that Scot's pine and there's a lot of work in there. Can't wait for the next instalment so please keep posting.

Great name too, Eurybia; a Greek sea goddess and also a from the Greek eurys meaning wide (she's big) and also from the genus including sunflowers and it's lovely and sunny while you work!

Looking forward to the next post,
GB.

Thanks very much, Goatboy. Glad to hear you're enjoying the photos. Here is some additional official information from the lead archaeologist himself:

http://www.theeurybiaproject.blogspot.co.uk/2014/07/day8.html
 

fishfish

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my mother dated an eminent archaeologist from butser back in the 80's,chap called jack langly,he was a great character was always finding intresting stuff in field when we took the dogs out!. love the boat build,its a wonder folk didnt make more use of rafts!
 

Goatboy

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my mother dated an eminent archaeologist from butser back in the 80's,chap called jack langly,he was a great character was always finding intresting stuff in field when we took the dogs out!. love the boat build,its a wonder folk didnt make more use of rafts!

Wonder if they did use rafts, but they may not be seen as such by archaeologists if they were just logs lashed together with withies? Would just be random logs in the record.
 

fishfish

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good point,would be so much easier,also many just used a log to stand on,remember the saami chap pike fishing on a ray mears episode.
 

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The problem with rafts (especially our hardwood type ones) is lack of buoyancy means wet feet and goods.....and our waters are blooming cold.
Reeds are no where near as long as the tropical ones either.

cheers,
Toddy
 

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Paul Johnston makes the point about wet and cold in reference to rafts in his Sea-Craft of Prehistory. However there are rafts with seats and raised platforms that would mitigate this, rafts in recent use in Europe have been built of brushwood. However, a raft is a very inefficient flotation device, unless of balsa or the like, compared to planked, skin or dugout boats and these are likely to be preferred once the technology and tools developed to make them.
 

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Very busy day today! Had the Help For Heroes group help us with both boats today, plus a film crew were down for most of the day and we had more visitors than usual. Sometimes stressful, but always exciting. I spent a lot of time talking to the public, so much so that I really thought I was an employee. But the majority was just working on the boat using the same method as yesterday. I was put in charge of a good sized Help For Heroes group and they learnt how to fire harden spear for use in the excavating the rotted trunk of the second boat. They also helped carve out material from the Eurybia too. I forgot to take any real photos of the progress on the boat, and more on what was happening around it, but oh well. No doubt there will be photos posted later that will fill in the gaps.

The same process and in the same area as yesterday. We eventually moved down to section 3 later in the day. (In the last picture you can sort of see that taking place. It's the only footage I apparently managed to get of that.)
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A few visitors turning up and some of the Help For Heroes lot. A nice atmosphere.
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People being assigned to various activities while the logs on section 2 burn through.
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Two of the Help For Heroes group working removing material after the logs had burned through for some time.
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The notice board for the project in the visitor centre. A nice touch.
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In this last picture you can see a few logs burning on section 3.
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It really was quite a busy day and the photos don't do it justice. At the peak of the day there were at least 25 people in the small Mesolithic enclosure. It was nice to have a group photo with the Help For Heroes at the end of their session.

I won't be posting any more updates for a few days as I'm going to take a break. I'll be back at the farm on Wednesday. I'm sleeping in the roundhouse with a few of the other volunteers and having a BBQ as a thank you to the boat build team. Should be rather fun.

Thanks for reading.
 

crosslandkelly

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Nice work THOaken, you're really throwing yourself into this project. It doesn't feel like work when you're enjoying it.
I would love to spend a few nights in a round house.
 

THOaken

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Nice work THOaken, you're really throwing yourself into this project. It doesn't feel like work when you're enjoying it.
I would love to spend a few nights in a round house.
Thanks, Colin. Indeed, time is just flying by. As nice little bit of recognition and in return for the work done by volunteers of the project I believe we'll be getting a space on the "meet the team" board in the visitor centre. I get to advertise my blog, so that's great.

On the specifics of the boat, it must be mentioned, for those of you interested in how authentic this is, we are indeed using antler and scallop shells, but the decision was made today to let the Help For Heroes group use the bronze adzes. We then carried on using the adzes ourselves once they'd left. We'd all like this to be as authentic as possible, but there are time constraints. Just the way it is.

I'll post some better photos of the boat if they are put on the Facebook page.
 
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THOaken somthing just occurred to me, in theory couldn't they have built a woven frame and then used bark to skin the hull if they wanted something sharpish? kinda like a corrical but for short term use like we need to cross this river! or Right the good boat sank and they need a quick replacement to carry on fishing.
 

crosslandkelly

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Thanks, Colin. Indeed, time is just flying by. As nice little bit of recognition and in return for the work done by volunteers of the project I believe we'll be getting a space on the "meet the team" board in the visitor centre. I get to advertise my blog, so that's great.

On the specifics of the boat, it must be mentioned, for those of you interested in how authentic this is, we are indeed using antler and scallop shells, but the decision was made today to let the Help For Heroes group use the bronze adzes. We then carried on using the adzes ourselves once they'd left. We'd all like this to be as authentic as possible, but there are time constraints. Just the way it is.

I'll post some better photos of the boat if they are put on the Facebook page.


Most people will understand the use of modern tools, especially with safety and time in mind, the point is to prove that the work CAN, be done with the tools our Mesolithic forebears used.
 

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It all seems to be going swimmingly and taking shape, nice that you're getting to pop up things on the board too. Getting excited for you for when you have a launch date. Will be nice to see how it handles.

Oh Colin, you can hire and stay in a roundhouse down in Dumfries at Marthrown of Mabie either just get a spot or hire the whole place.
 

crosslandkelly

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Oh Colin, you can hire and stay in a roundhouse down in Dumfries at Marthrown of Mabie either just get a spot or hire the whole place.

Are you kidding me GB! Have you seen those prices, the name is (say it with a Sean Connery accent) Crosslandkelly, not Rockefellerkelly. Exclusive use: Mid week - £280.00 per night (maximum 16 people). Maybe I don't want to sleep in a roundhouse anymore, in fact I'll stick to my tarp. Grumble, mutter , grrr.
 

Goatboy

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Are you kidding me GB! Have you seen those prices, the name is (say it with a Sean Connery accent) Crosslandkelly, not Rockefellerkelly. Exclusive use: Mid week - £280.00 per night (maximum 16 people). Maybe I don't want to sleep in a roundhouse anymore, in fact I'll stick to my tarp. Grumble, mutter , grrr.

We were going to hire it a few years back for my 40th (prices were better then and I actually had enough folk who liked me enough to want to come (or maybe they liked the roundhouse idea!). Anyway we didn't go in the end, something cropped up. Just thought you'd like to see it. Just think we could all sit in it and tease Aaron with sausages making him run 'round and 'round!
 

THOaken

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Strangely there has been no official update for yesterday on the Eurybia blog, despite the fact that quite a lot was done, but I have received two more photos of the day from another volunteer which I thought I should share.

Using the antler pick. We're steadily increasing the surface area. What you don't see is the bronze adze work on the other side which has just decimated the wood. It's a lot quicker of course. So as of yesterday we've started on work burning and hollowing out on 2 of 4 sections. It'll be interesting to see how much has been removed when I go back on Wednesday.
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Bagging up the rotted material which the Help For Heroes lot poked away at. This will be weighed too.
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If a full progress report does show up, I'll post the link here. It was quite a busy day and a few new things happened, so it should.
 
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THOaken

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Slept over at Butser yesterday. Regular work during the day and after I sat and carve a spoon. We had a barbecue and a few beers later. Stayed up until 1:30. I slept in the Moel y Gerddi roundhouse by myself which was rather nice. It was surprisingly comfortable, though sleep didn't come that easily. Great experience though.

So work on the boat has been troublesome. We didn't do much yesterday except start place coal in concentrated areas in inside rings of clay. We left the coals burning the entire day and night and we're still not seeing results in the softening of the wood. It just doesn't penetrate deep enough for some reason. However, we did make progress the following morning when we all woke up. I stayed around to clear away the coals on one side, which indeed we found to have not really helped at all, and started using the new bone one or two of the volunteers made. Although the burning doesn't help, the bone tool itself is a rather viable method of removing material. So as we sat there thinking what to do we decided to try and use the bone adze as a chisel. We got a large mallet and chiselled away at the wood and it's surprisingly effective. So that's the plan. We're actually going to be doing less burning, but more labour intensive material removal work. I believe the a few of the volunteers will be making some more bone tools. That's the method we're going to be using from now on. If we prehistoric man couldn't burn it, they perhaps could have just chipped away at it. We really spent a lot of time trying to do the burn, but have gotten no results. We're obviously on a deadline too, so we need to change things. I don't know if I mentioned this before but we were using bronze adzes just a bit on one of the days, and I felt a little bad about it because it's not authentic. However, now with our own home made bone tools we can really get to work, especially using this chisel method. We also should be getting proper stone tools later.

I believe there will be a write up on the blog later. I'll post more photos later.

Just as a side note, despite not being about the boat, I worked more with the sheep yesterday. We were worming them. Well, I wasn't, but I was in charge of keep them in place and managing them. It was quite an interesting experience. Especially when two escaped and I had to chase them down, grab them by the horns and escort them back to their pens. They are lovely animals though. Two of the younger ones kept crowding around us as I believe they were bottle fed and very much liked us.

We decided to try and isolate the heat, so we used clay rings.
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Charcoal was put in this ring, whereas on the other side of the boat we resumed regular log burning, although later on all sections had coal on.
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After we set the burns up I was assigned the task of managing the livestock for a while.
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We tested out the new bone adze a little bit yesterday. Tomorrow morning, just before I left, would see the breakthrough proper of using this tool as a chisel. (I didn't get any pictures of that as my phone has lost battery, but there may be an official update on that soon)
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Burgers, sausages and rabbit.
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My sleep setup.
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I'll be going back tommorow, so it'll be interesting to see what they've done with the bone tools. Up until now we've removed very little material by labour. It's just been a case of waiting for the burns to try and penetrate the wood and then testing a few tools here and there, but now we're going to be using the bone adzes almost exclusively. Burns may still occur, but it doesn't seem worth the time and maintenance efforts.
 
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boatman

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I wonder if it is a mistake to attempt to cut flat slices off the log. A bluntish cut will tend to harden the wood beneath for the next cut. I am sure that in places part of the work of digging ot is done by splitting. On cuts grooves each side of a piece then splits it out. The wood under the removed piece is then fresh to be cut into again. Stop cuts can be used to avoid splitting too far.
 

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