Living in the woods

[GGTBod]

recently i stumbled accross a story on the net about a guy who was found dead in scotland after planning to live in the wild for a year (inspired by watching B.G. IIRC ...)--- let's hope this story does not end the same way....

I felt sorry for his family reading about him, he really didn't last long at all



Adventurer who wanted to live like Bear Grylls in Scottish wilderness for a year found dead in less than a month

 

[Quixoticgeek]

You're missing the tongue-in-cheek nature of my comment. Go back to my earlier post inferring that a "good woman" is one who likes to fish, a traditionally male recreation. None-the-less she still maintains her feminine identity; hence the need for her male companion to show he appreciates her beauty ("telling her she's pretty" being symbolic of in his mind she is beautiful both physically and in character/personality.

So a woman who can fish, hunt, chop wood and build a shelter, but is not a looker is not a good woman?

Personally, I don't need someone to say if I am or am not looking pretty today. I would rather be complimented on my actions. "Nice catch" "Well shot" "Well bowled" etc...

Try an experiment, don't comment on a female's looks for a week, but compliment her on her actions/work. See what happens.

When feminism becomes a PITA is when the practicioners/advocates take it to the point that they no longer allow for a differentiation between the genders. It's NOT and insult for somebody to be though of as a woman. Nor is it an indication that she can't do the same tasks a man can do (save those limitations of size and physical strength)

And yet, in so many places in our modern society being a girl, or acting like one is considered an insult

"You throw like a girl"

"Right team, that was rubbish, you played the first half like a bunch of girls..." to the rugby team...

As for turning back the clock 60 years; the reality seems that feminism has progressed beyond the original idea that it meant for a woman to be equal, she had to abandon her femininity. THAT was the crux of my original statement "Tell her she's pretty and take her fishing." Such a woman is capable of both femininity and feminism and comfortable with it. Apparently some here haven't progressed beyond the early ideas that feminism means she has to abandon her femininity to be a feminist (who's clock is really behind?)

I agree, to an extent. We could go into an interesting and lengthy discussion about the way that female clothing has been used for centuries to oppress women. Bonus points if we could do so without mentioning the corset...

Now I'm the sort of girl who is happy to spend a day in the woods, climbing trees, chopping wood, green wood carving. I'm happy to sit by the sea and pretend I'm fishing[1]. But I'm not going to do that lot in a dress or a skirt. Am I still being feminine if I'm wearing trousers (considered traditionally male?) ?

Define feminine.

The internet is definitely changing fast but in the wrong direction, it's becoming more hostile and abusing day by day, there are very few places where people are actually genuinely decent with each other and treat people as they would in real life. The internet was a far better place to socialise on the early 90's when the only people online were those who knew how to properly operate computers and those who didn't but slogged on through the jargon to get connected, it was an escape from the tv controlled majority of modern UK society, as the internet became a button to connect to and there was no need to understand the inner working of your router etc to get it to work then came the trolls.

Just my opinion of how i've seen the net change in the 24 years i have been connected to it, if it keeps going the way it is i will soon be disconnecting myself from it for good

It's the whole September that never ended.

I've been on the net since before I was a teenager, I've watched it grown over those 20+ year. Rightly or wrongly it has changed. Is it for the better? Who knows.

There are many who don't understand the old traditions, ways and etiquette of the good ole days. You only need to look at the way that top posting seems to have become the norm to see this.

One thing that has become worrying is the way people have used the net as a means of abuse. Professor Mary Beard, Laurie Pennie, Caroline Criado-Perez are all examples of women who have committed the heinous crime of speaking while female, and been the victims of death and rape threats for doing so. Interestingly, the DG of the BBC, as well as the producer Jeremy Clarkson have received online death threats this week, guess which has got more media coverage...

Did this happen online 15 years ago? Not that I am aware of, perhaps not as widely as it does now.

People forget that online is still the real world, people online are still real people, with feelings. Give it time, and a bit of education, perhaps this will trickle down...

Thank goodness there is someone else that sees things the way i do! My wife..she is VERY feminine.... but she can outhink me, out earn me and outrun me any day of the week ( actually your average 4 year old could outrun me, but nevertheless....) she can do everything a man can do... but at the same time, loves to be treat like a Woman who cant occasionally....
feminism has stopped a lot of men, including myself from being quite so chivalrous to women..I used to be chivalrous, but after being told...HOW DARE YOU! when i stopped to help one 'lady' who was a feminist i decided forget it. if ya want to be equal...then you can fix your own damn puncture on your trail bike.....

Don't stop being a nice person just cos some idiot has a stick up their ****.

I work in a very male industry. I spend my life with a lot of people saying things like

"you can't lift tha... oh you can". Many don't think that a woman can carry a 51kg firkin of beer. Or move heavy logs etc... The other day I was walking through work with a 35kg keg in each hand. My boss turned to me and said "bloody hell Julia!".

The downside of this, is that I now struggle to buy a ladies shirt or tshirt as the arms do not allow for women with biceps...

I offer help to all who need it (or those who look like they do) regardless of age, gender etc etc - the only time I have ever been knocked back was by a "Radical Feminist" who saw my offer of help as an insult ... big hairy bikers have been grateful for my stopping to offer help as have most folk - even if the help I offered was not needed or I was incapable of actually doing anything constructive other than wish them well...
If you go to the Moot you will see some very capable Outdoorsy Women who, like a lot of Outdoorsy Blokes, are happy to have a helping hand - especially when setting up their camps.

I don't understand the "radical feminists" who seem to think that all men are evil and the like. I don't see it as a problem that men hold the door open for me. I hold doors open for men and women.

I wish the outdoor industry would stop thinking that the way to make a women's version of a product is to make it pink... (but that's a whole different rant).

I've recently ended up with a very British cycle at a door. I held it open for a gentleman. Who stood back and said "after you", I then said "after you" and this repeated a few times, before we both blushed, giggled, and he went through...

If anyone wants to lend me a hand I will accept help from anyone of any age , gender etc ....hint....
I have learned a lot from some of our female BcUK members, some of whom can make my knees wobble with a simple smile:
Being a "Good Woman" ain't no handicap to being "feminine", alluring or even downright sexy!
Please, ladies, do not be "Equal" to the menfolk - you started out better than that so why take a retrograde step?

You sir, are a Gentleman.

However, can I still be a good woman when I'm not a looker?

"I'm not holding the door open because you're a lady, I'm doing it because I'm a gentleman." A quote from my dad, who is a very wise man.

I like that. What is a woman being when she holds the door open for others? A Gentlewoman?

I hear you but this is an interesting discussion re feminism

It's an interesting civil discussion, and whilst we have drifted off topic, I hope the mods allow us to continue while we are still being civil and mature about it all.

Funny how we moan when women cover up, but not uncover, eh?

Plenty of women protested in France when legislation forced them to uncover.

This is an interesting one. Wear a short skirt, or a low cut top - slut. Wear modest clothing and you're being standoffish, or unfeminine. It's very very hard to get the line right. The pressure is on all women all the time. You only need to look at media coverage of the most recent cabinet reshuffle. Noone mentioned what the men were wearing, but all they wanted to discuss of the women was their appearance...

Tengu, I'm pretty sure if I wandered through the Moot naked people would complain I wonder how people would react if I did so in a head scarf...

All agree the OP have avaunt? Shame, as we have lots of good and practical things to say here

interesting how the subject of the thread seems to have shifted....

i presume nobody has heard from treecraft lately?!

He[2] was last seen posting in this thread on Wednesday at around 1600 GMT, a lengthy post was made replying to many points. However that post seems to have been deleted by the mods.

Thanks

Julia

[1] Calling it fishing would imply that I catch fish, I don't I sacrifice tackle to the various gods and goddesses of the marine world.
[2] I am making the assumption it's a He

 

[DurhamBushcrafter]

You been bottlin' that up then Julia?

 

[John Fenna]

However, can I still be a good woman when I'm not a looker?

My wife is a Good Woman.
I love her dearly but no one with an artistic eye could realistically call her "A Looker" unless they wear the rose tinted specs of true love
I have a lifetime prescription for such specs....
Does that answer the question?

 

[Toddy]

We haven't deleted anything; the OP is a newbie, and all newbies have their first posts Moderated/approved before they appear on the main forums. It's an anti think-they're-being-clever-spammer thing. He complained that it had taken a while for his post to appear…..but the Mods don't live on the forum, we only catch things when we're actually on.
Then he had a go at Sandbender….his opinion, etc. re interpretation and legalities. Tough. There's a lot of good reasons why Tony made Sandbender a Mod, and his opinion on things is one of them

M

 

[Quixoticgeek]

We haven't deleted anything; the OP is a newbie, and all newbies have their first posts Moderated/approved before they appear on the main forums. It's an anti think-they're-being-clever-spammer thing. He complained that it had taken a while for his post to appear…..but the Mods don't live on the forum, we only catch things when we're actually on.
Then he had a go at Sandbender….his opinion, etc. re interpretation and legalities. Tough. There's a lot of good reasons why Tony made Sandbender a Mod, and his opinion on things is one of them

Oh. I got an email copy of a reply he posted, but I'm not seeing it in the thread, so I assumed it has been deleted by a mod. I'm happy to stand corrected.

My wife is a Good Woman.
I love her dearly but no one with an artistic eye could realistically call her "A Looker" unless they wear the rose tinted specs of true love
I have a lifetime prescription for such specs....
Does that answer the question?

I stand by my previous statement then: you sir, are a gentleman.

You been bottlin' that up then Julia?

What ever gave you that idea

J

 

[Toddy]

My wife is a Good Woman.
I love her dearly but no one with an artistic eye could realistically call her "A Looker" unless they wear the rose tinted specs of true love
I have a lifetime prescription for such specs....
Does that answer the question?

Age does most of us in anyway

I am fond of the words; find poetry quite inspiring and thoughtful. John Donne and his love for his wife is a perennial favourite.

Elegy IX: The Autumnal
BY JOHN DONNE
No spring nor summer beauty hath such grace
As I have seen in one autumnal face.
Young beauties force our love, and that's a rape,
This doth but counsel, yet you cannot scape.
If 'twere a shame to love, here 'twere no shame;
Affection here takes reverence's name.
Were her first years the golden age? That's true,
But now she's gold oft tried and ever new.
That was her torrid and inflaming time,
This is her tolerable tropic clime.
Fair eyes, who asks more heat than comes from hence,
He in a fever wishes pestilence.
Call not these wrinkles, graves; if graves they were,
They were Love's graves, for else he is no where.
Yet lies not Love dead here, but here doth sit
Vow'd to this trench, like an anachorit;
And here till hers, which must be his death, come,
He doth not dig a grave, but build a tomb.
Here dwells he; though he sojourn ev'rywhere
In progress, yet his standing house is here:
Here where still evening is, not noon nor night,
Where no voluptuousness, yet all delight.
In all her words, unto all hearers fit,
You may at revels, you at council, sit.
This is Love's timber, youth his underwood;
There he, as wine in June, enrages blood,
Which then comes seasonabliest when our taste
And appetite to other things is past.
Xerxes' strange Lydian love, the platan tree,
Was lov'd for age, none being so large as she,
Or else because, being young, nature did bless
Her youth with age's glory, barrenness.
If we love things long sought, age is a thing
Which we are fifty years in compassing;
If transitory things, which soon decay,
Age must be loveliest at the latest day.
But name not winter faces, whose skin's slack,
Lank as an unthrift's purse, but a soul's sack;
Whose eyes seek light within, for all here's shade;
Whose mouths are holes, rather worn out than made;
Whose every tooth to a several place is gone,
To vex their souls at resurrection:
Name not these living death's-heads unto me,
For these, not ancient, but antique be.
I hate extremes, yet I had rather stay
With tombs than cradles, to wear out a day.
Since such love's natural lation is, may still
My love descend, and journey down the hill,
Not panting after growing beauties. So,
I shall ebb on with them who homeward go.

 

[sandbender]

"...Oh. I got an email copy of a reply he posted, but I'm not seeing it in the thread, so I assumed it has been deleted by a mod. I'm happy to stand corrected..."

His post was moderated, either automatically or by another Mod, however it is visible now, presumably the offending bits were considered acceptable or were edited out.

He (treecraft) may have decided that this place isn't for him, or he may be out doing bushcrafty stuff, if so he'll have much to read through on his return.

 

[nic a char]

All good stuff, Quixoticgeek!

 

[John Fenna]

Age does most of us in anyway

I am fond of the words; find poetry quite inspiring and thoughtful. John Donne and his love for his wife is a perennial favourite.

Elegy IX: The Autumnal
BY JOHN DONNE
No spring nor summer beauty hath such grace
As I have seen in one autumnal face.
Young beauties force our love, and that's a rape,
This doth but counsel, yet you cannot scape.
If 'twere a shame to love, here 'twere no shame;
Affection here takes reverence's name.
Were her first years the golden age? That's true,
But now she's gold oft tried and ever new.
That was her torrid and inflaming time,
This is her tolerable tropic clime.
Fair eyes, who asks more heat than comes from hence,
He in a fever wishes pestilence.
Call not these wrinkles, graves; if graves they were,
They were Love's graves, for else he is no where.
Yet lies not Love dead here, but here doth sit
Vow'd to this trench, like an anachorit;
And here till hers, which must be his death, come,
He doth not dig a grave, but build a tomb.
Here dwells he; though he sojourn ev'rywhere
In progress, yet his standing house is here:
Here where still evening is, not noon nor night,
Where no voluptuousness, yet all delight.
In all her words, unto all hearers fit,
You may at revels, you at council, sit.
This is Love's timber, youth his underwood;
There he, as wine in June, enrages blood,
Which then comes seasonabliest when our taste
And appetite to other things is past.
Xerxes' strange Lydian love, the platan tree,
Was lov'd for age, none being so large as she,
Or else because, being young, nature did bless
Her youth with age's glory, barrenness.
If we love things long sought, age is a thing
Which we are fifty years in compassing;
If transitory things, which soon decay,
Age must be loveliest at the latest day.
But name not winter faces, whose skin's slack,
Lank as an unthrift's purse, but a soul's sack;
Whose eyes seek light within, for all here's shade;
Whose mouths are holes, rather worn out than made;
Whose every tooth to a several place is gone,
To vex their souls at resurrection:
Name not these living death's-heads unto me,
For these, not ancient, but antique be.
I hate extremes, yet I had rather stay
With tombs than cradles, to wear out a day.
Since such love's natural lation is, may still
My love descend, and journey down the hill,
Not panting after growing beauties. So,
I shall ebb on with them who homeward go.

One of my favourite poets!
"To his Coy Mistress" is revealing as well...

 

[vestlenning]

So a woman who can fish, hunt, chop wood and build a shelter, but is not a looker is not a good woman?

(...)

I'm with you all the way, Julia!

 

[santaman2000]

So a woman who can fish, hunt, chop wood and build a shelter, but is not a looker is not a good woman? ......

My wife is a Good Woman.
I love her dearly but no one with an artistic eye could realistically call her "A Looker" unless they wear the rose tinted specs of true love
I have a lifetime prescription for such specs....
Does that answer the question?

What he said. The point of my post (saying you need to "tell her she's pretty) has absolutely nothing to do with her self esteem. Rather it has everything to do with reinforcing the knowledge that she's with a mate that does indeed love her and appreciates her. By the way, that works in both directions. It ain't rocket science.

 

[santaman2000]

.......Try an experiment, don't comment on a female's looks for a week, but compliment her on her actions/work. See what happens. ....

You make it sound as if giving compliments on one or the other must be mutually exclusive. Why? I do both.

 

[santaman2000]

.......And yet, in so many places in our modern society being a girl, or acting like one is considered an insult

"You throw like a girl"

"Right team, that was rubbish, you played the first half like a bunch of girls..." to the rugby team.....

I did state that there are some physical differences (size and strength) While there are exceptions (you stated the feats you perform at work) they are still exceptions. No amount of political correctness will change that. That said, "throwing like a girl" is one I'd also like to see disappear as throwing is a skill where technique can often make up for lack of physical strength. Evidenced in the following video (starting about 25seconds in) https://youtu.be/Xhyb0KrPECc

Here she is again in a different sport https://youtu.be/Og9ZnxsWuGM

I have to go for now but later I'll post up some more examples of women who excel at traditionally mail roles (sports and careers)

 

[Drain Bamaged]

I tell my wife she looks nice tonight, stunning this evening or maybe the prettiest woman in the room.......I find this way she tends to overlook my other lies.

 

[Toddy]

…..suddenly I understand your choice of User Name

M

 

[DurhamBushcrafter]

…..suddenly I understand your choice of User Name

M

:You_Rock_

 

[boatman]

I love the way women look, all women.

Here's to the maiden of bashful fifteen
Here's to the widow of fifty
Here's to the flaunting extravagent queen
And here's to the housewife that's thrifty.Chorus
Let the toast pass, drink to the lass
I warrant she'll prove an excuse for the glass
Let the toast pass, drink to the lass
I warrant she'll prove an excuse for the glass.
Here's to the charmer whose dimples we prize
Now to the maid who has none
Here's to the girl with a pair of blue eyes
And here's to the nymph with but one, Sir.
Chorus
Here's to the maid with a bosom of snow
Now to her that's as brown as a berry
Here's to the wife with a face full of woe
And here's to the damsel that's merry.
Chorus

Sheridan

 

[santaman2000]

I promised more posts of successful women. Here we go:

-NASCAR driver Danica Patrick (I've mentioned her before in another thread) www.nascar.com/en_us/drivers/danica-patrick.html

-Michelle Howard, the first 4 star admiral in the Navy (the Army and Air Force promoted women to this grade earlier) www.huffingtonpost.com/...howard-navy-admiral_n_5547632.htmlCached

 

[andybysea]

The depressing part in this thread for me comes from early replies to the op, in that all land is owned, be it by private individuals or governments, what is technically being said is nowhere on the entire plant can you truely be free. Not thinking of myself in this im far to old and fragile for such bravado.