Really? Are you serving at the moment? The bergan is a solid piece of kit and the boots these days are top notch, there are always guys who want stuff which is just a little bit (to them) better.
Colin
Is there really any need for camoflage?
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Colin
Just because it's made by the cheapest bidder doesn't mean the spec. is bad. There are exceptions, I'm sure, but military kit tends to be good value but on the heavy side
Quite often the weight is a direct link to the fact that it's made to be squaddy proof, I swear that you could issue a solid block of titanium out and someone would come back with it in two pieces!
Colin
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Swedish M90 pattern. The only one worth wearing. Or Dancam. Or that weird canadian one.. O.k. Im a camo fan! But not dpm. It is awful and makes you look like a baddy from an eighties cop show.
I am going to try dyeing my DPM smock black - I know it will probably just mute the colours but otherwise I just don't wear it
In a recent study researchers gave a monkey, an engineer, and a GI three steel ball bearings each and placed them in seperate emply cells for the day. At the end of the day they opened the cells and recorded the results:
1) The monkey had simply thrown his three ball bearings in a corner and ignored them.
2) The engineer had stacked them carefully into a pyramid.
3) The GI had no ball bearings anywhere in sight. When questioned he kicked his feet hesitantly and said, "Well, I broke one, lost another, and the third is in my luch box. I was going to steal it."
I think it is a good point about camo scaring regular people. I can certainly see that happening. On the other hand, I don't think wool jumpers and waxed cotton covers are any better in that respect. Ultimately, we use what we can afford, and let's be honest, more importantly, what we think makes us "look the part".
Camo has it's place for serious hunting, tucked up in the shadows but for hill walking etc.. it is a Bad Thing for me, as most of the land I 'explore' has game shooting on part of it. Be seen there in DPM & you have to convince people you are not a poacher. I prefer a nice bit of Fjällräven these days; a Greenland winter jacket is a much nicer place to be when the cold wet rain is coming down on you rather than a thin uninsulated DPM jacket. I still have a DPM jacket, as it's a nice thing to have this time of year when I am waiting for the Buns to come out to play; covering your eyes, face & hands is 100x time more important. I find it helps ease the nerves of the townies when they come across someone on the gold course with an air gun. The DPM Jacket & Flat cap looks like a uniform to them, make you look like you should be there.... Have done it before in suit trousers, shirt & tie though...
I think wearing cammo when there is an alterenative makes you look a bit goofy. I bowhunt and teach hunting courses I always council the students to wear regualr clothes to and from the field then change for hunting. I have a lot of army surplus gear because of the regular reasons but don't get it if it's cammo. I think it really harms ones public image.
Does mr Mears not wear a jungle shirt now and again. His head of Ops was seen wearin one two weeks ago in the Dunkeld area.
Meh. Horses for courses.
People will wear what they feel comfortable in. Personally I avoid camo apart from my hootchie and a pair of very comfy and baggy Auscam trousers. I prefer "earth tones" - greens, browns, dark blues, greys, tans and khakis - because I feel more comfortable in them than camo.
If someone who is new to bushcrafting picked up a set of DPMs and a set of poorly put together Chinese-made web gear because they felt comfortable wearing them as part of their "getting to know nature" process, what business is that of ours?
Also look to "stealth" camping, which is a bit of a fad in the US. Basic, garden variety bushwalkers and hikers buying camo gear for their little hidden campsites. They aren't survivalists or bushcrafters, just hikers.
It's not your clothes, your knife or your gear that makes you a bushcrafter, it's your passion, your experience and your skills - remembering that passion comes first. Gear is just an accessory.
People will wear what they feel comfortable in. Personally I avoid camo apart from my hootchie and a pair of very comfy and baggy Auscam trousers. I prefer "earth tones" - greens, browns, dark blues, greys, tans and khakis - because I feel more comfortable in them than camo.
If someone who is new to bushcrafting picked up a set of DPMs and a set of poorly put together Chinese-made web gear because they felt comfortable wearing them as part of their "getting to know nature" process, what business is that of ours?
Also look to "stealth" camping, which is a bit of a fad in the US. Basic, garden variety bushwalkers and hikers buying camo gear for their little hidden campsites. They aren't survivalists or bushcrafters, just hikers.
It's not your clothes, your knife or your gear that makes you a bushcrafter, it's your passion, your experience and your skills - remembering that passion comes first. Gear is just an accessory.
Never called zombies anymore in movies/tv/games are they, always "the infected". Got to wonder why that is. I fear it's because a bio attack isn't unlikely at some point and shooting "infected" people to stop the infection spreading, will be more palatable if people can relate to them as already dead/zombies.
Interesting thread.
Ever since i was young, I have been interested in things which carry the Broad Arrow (or crows foot).As a young lad I had quite a few bits and pieces of kit,but most of it was pre-camo.....and most of it War dated.
I was a cub,and a Scout.Back then we wore green shirts,and a green beret,and trousers of your own choice.
Time moved on.I have worked outdoors all of my life,and have preferred gov surplus because it is strong,and cheap.
Long before I had any idea of a thing called 'Bushcraft'.....and long before it was something that you could 'Buy'
I carried the essence of Scouting,and preparedness with me.
I grew up in a Garrison town,and for various reasons never felt happy with the thought of wearing DPM.
That feeling has largely persisted.I much prefer olive drab generally...military or otherwise.
I have worn continental camo, but never more than one piece at a time.Flecktarn is good,and the trousers very durable.
Wear what you want,and what you are comfortable with.Wear what works.
Almost none of my outdoor clothing is miltary,apart from a Dutch army goretex parka, which cost me E25 brand new,and still in the bag.
Regular attenders here will know that I am a fan of the M65 parka.This coat is such an icon that folks don't even see it as military.
By preference, I just like to blend in,and think that a lot of regular walkers and outdoor activity types get sold to by the commercial Behemoth.
Here endeth the sermon.
Ever since i was young, I have been interested in things which carry the Broad Arrow (or crows foot).As a young lad I had quite a few bits and pieces of kit,but most of it was pre-camo.....and most of it War dated.
I was a cub,and a Scout.Back then we wore green shirts,and a green beret,and trousers of your own choice.
Time moved on.I have worked outdoors all of my life,and have preferred gov surplus because it is strong,and cheap.
Long before I had any idea of a thing called 'Bushcraft'.....and long before it was something that you could 'Buy'
I carried the essence of Scouting,and preparedness with me.
I grew up in a Garrison town,and for various reasons never felt happy with the thought of wearing DPM.
That feeling has largely persisted.I much prefer olive drab generally...military or otherwise.
I have worn continental camo, but never more than one piece at a time.Flecktarn is good,and the trousers very durable.
Wear what you want,and what you are comfortable with.Wear what works.
Almost none of my outdoor clothing is miltary,apart from a Dutch army goretex parka, which cost me E25 brand new,and still in the bag.
Regular attenders here will know that I am a fan of the M65 parka.This coat is such an icon that folks don't even see it as military.
By preference, I just like to blend in,and think that a lot of regular walkers and outdoor activity types get sold to by the commercial Behemoth.
Here endeth the sermon.
I have one jacket in DPM which I only wear when Im in the woods watching the wildlife. more a fan of OD or browns and other darkish colours
I have in the past had a good chuckle at people in town fully decked out in camo and surplus boots. Now that I'm starting to learn about bushcraft, and having bought camo gortex over trousers cheep at the bushcraft sale at Comrie Croft, I am less judgemental. Maybe he is on route to a bushcraft meet? The gortex over-trousers are the best waterproofs I have ever had for ose on my motorbike.
Yesterday I saw someone on the street wearing full camo and boots. Initially I thought "what a divy" on a second look it was obvious by the immaculate camo, badges and mirror bright boots that he was a genuine soldier or a anal retentive psycho.
Yesterday I saw someone on the street wearing full camo and boots. Initially I thought "what a divy" on a second look it was obvious by the immaculate camo, badges and mirror bright boots that he was a genuine soldier or a anal retentive psycho.
