taking wombles point that this is in danger of descending into farce, i will choose my words carefully - note the light hearted nature of the thread until dommy posted, then see how it changed.
arguing like a politician about the supposed misinterpretation of the minutae of certain quotes doesn't change the fact that the 'mud-slinging started following the accusatory post dommy made. dommy -you've made some good points, and i love a spirited debate as much as anyone, but my opinion is just that - an opinion. i like the fact that you don't agree - the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way, but my hackles get raised when someone tries to belittle my opinion in favour of their own. i'm happy to hear an opposing view, but not happy to be labelled as something negative by someone who doesn't agree. i don't want this to turn into another 'sheeple' thread, so i'll shake the virtual hand and say no more!
on a puzzling note - i remember when i was a cub, that we had a little laminated card with the cub scout promise and law on it, and we would recite it at the start of every meeting - i'm damn sure that the law wasn't a bullet pointed list like that, but after googling, i can't find the original. do any leaders from the 70s-early 80s recall what the law printed on the card was?
arguing like a politician about the supposed misinterpretation of the minutae of certain quotes doesn't change the fact that the 'mud-slinging started following the accusatory post dommy made. dommy -you've made some good points, and i love a spirited debate as much as anyone, but my opinion is just that - an opinion. i like the fact that you don't agree - the world would be a boring place if we all thought the same way, but my hackles get raised when someone tries to belittle my opinion in favour of their own. i'm happy to hear an opposing view, but not happy to be labelled as something negative by someone who doesn't agree. i don't want this to turn into another 'sheeple' thread, so i'll shake the virtual hand and say no more!
on a puzzling note - i remember when i was a cub, that we had a little laminated card with the cub scout promise and law on it, and we would recite it at the start of every meeting - i'm damn sure that the law wasn't a bullet pointed list like that, but after googling, i can't find the original. do any leaders from the 70s-early 80s recall what the law printed on the card was?
. People can think all sorts of things and formulate their theory, but what is more important is what you experience in practise, not theory. Academic's bless them, they tell us all sorts of things, lots of it irellevant and opinionated and misguided. Their industry is rife with petty squabbles, petty personal agendas, and big ego's (naturally in the elite 3% that are enlightened as far as PC culture is concerned 
) that desperately want acceptance, respect and influence for their theories (because that is all they can come up with-social theory, the rest of us have to live with the consequences when these theories get integrated into social policy and begin to influenece govt). Academics are some of the stupidest people going, despite their intellect, I learnt that at Goldsmith's college as well. Just because someone is a member of the education industry and lives dependent on the state for their wages and pension, doesnt mean they are always right, or tell the truth, or even face the truth. And frankly with regard to immigration issues, they havent been able to produce any really convincing argument as to why we should continue to tolerate the rapid social and cultural changes being imposed upon us (imposed is the correct term) in the name of multi culturalsim, and only have the nasty name calling "rac-ist card" aproach to try to stifle opposition or genuine debate (loaded name calling such as bigot/xenophobe/nazi/racist etc etc) They came up with this weird notion that seeing as our culture has "always been mongrel" (or whatever is the fashionable word), then that means its Ok to let it be even more mongrel 
Or that immigrants bring diversity and ecomnic benefits? Well thats bound to happen isnt it, but the assumption is made and asseerted (in the first place by "academic's") that this will automatically be a good thing. But that is their theory, maybe they should do a reality tv show where these "clever" people should be put in situations that show up the stupidity of their theory's and they have to see what their theory actually does in practice, they never see it from within there ivory towers do they 
