EDC folders for slaughter, disembowelment and skinning of livestock (!)

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Disclaimer: This is going to be a long post. It´s also the first post for me in quite some time so I have a huge back log of stuff I want to say. Sorry! Also, I'm not a native english speaker.

Introduction: Just the other day it was finally time for that terrible but also fulfilling (and larder filling) slaughter of this years lambs. Or at least the tups. The usual method we do it by is first a blow to the head with a captive bolt gun and rather hastily after that I cut the carotid artery. I try to collect the rapidly flowing blod from the throat in a big bucket, mostly just not to mess up the place where we do the slaughter, but also because it is bad form to let it go to waste. I've been slaughtering my lambs myself for a few years now. I started doing it myself rather than driving to an abattoir with the lambs because of cutting down on the herd and increasing costs at the slaughterers. And the slaughteres themselves weren't that nice persons.

As it happened I got a delivery of a new EDC folder, an NOS american made trapper knife, I actually wanted a stockman but due to latenight betting on a famous trading site I accidentally got a trapper. Not the first time something like that happened, nor the last I reckon. Unfortunately for me the blades turned out to be stainless. Yuck. Clip point and spey blade. I thought the spey blade looked interesting. Turns out it is meant for castrating bull calves and skinning small animals. And somewhere here I decided to put it to test. But to get a reasonable judgement I decided to test all my EDC I have in rotation to see how the would perform in actual slaughter, disembowelment and skinning of livestock. I hadn't used a folder for this kind of work since my late teens when I used an EKA swede folder for processing a roe deer with terrible result, so I thought it would be fun. So without further ado I present to you:


The big test to see how ordinary pocket folders perform in processing small livestock!
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Meet the teams:
Team swiss/swede pro: This is included as a reference group. These are my ordinary working tools for processing meat and fish for human consumption. The consist of knives from victorinox (the one in the photo is a deboning knife that I most often use on cutting the carotid arteries) and frost. They are commercial grade knives, meaning they don't have any fancy steels or handle materials, nor any fancy shapes. They are very ergonomic, doesn't conduct any heat (important when working long days in cold rooms), they are easy to clean and take a keen edge, even though the typically don't hold it too long. I usually have to resharpen them quite often. Both on a wet stone, and on a steel. For disemboweling and skinning I have corresponding knives. There is nothing that screams amateur so much as a cheap and cheerful "hunters butchers kit" in sh1tty chinese sink stainless and colourful handles. Most hunters I know are utter sh1ite at both skinning and butchering. Even worse shots. I hunt, but sort of dislike most hunters. Weird position to be in. I digress. And will probably continue doing so.

Team England: Represented here by a farmers knife by no other than Sheffields own A Wright and sons. Bought in 2006-ish. Great knife. Been in my pocket most days since I bought it. Blade in C70 carbon steel (if memory serves me right), takes a wicked edge, incredibly sharp. And easy to sharpen too. Scales in rose wood, 3 inch lambsfoot/farmers blade. Can't praise it enough as an EDC.

Team France: A typical Laguiole-type knife. But not really typical. A few years back I loaded up wife, kids and dogs in my rusted out pickup and put a rooftop tent on it and drove to northern france. It was delightful. In a small market I found a knife maker who sold his version of laguiole-knifes, he said that the actual brand laguiole had ruined the knife, it was overpriced junk in his opinion and his knives were much better. The blade is in some stainless steel, and the scales are horn. A nice knife, is quite easy to sharpen, doesn't develop the burr that is typical of cheap stainless. A good user. But an aquired taste in terms of blade shape and style I guess. Funny side note, the laguiole and the spanish navaja are very close in shape and form, the navaja turned in to the texas toothpick when the spaniards eventually came to texas. Which is evident when you look at them side by side.

Team US: Here represented by a trapper from schrade. Typical trapper blades consisting of a clip point that is too short to be useful, and spey blade which I had never used before. Steel is typical mediocre stainless. The clip point was dull as a ping pong ball when delivered, the spey was actually pretty sharp. Scales are made of acrylic. Fit and finish were quite good though.

I ground, honed and stropped all blades except the speyblade of the american trapper. I chose 20 degrees edge bevel angle, all single bevel ground. I tried to test all of them and they were sharp. But later, I started doubting if I actually tested the clip point of the trapper. Yes, I am very aware that none of these knives are very hygienic in food processing, but the meat from these animals are intended for me and my close family.


Slaughtering
The setup was fairly straight forward. A friend who also have sheep came to help me out. I had the lambs in a pen, out of sight from the lambs I had prepared a space for the actual unaliving, and then a few paces away behind a tarpaulin I had a 2X4 between to uprights on which I could hang the bodies to let them bleed out the very last drop before taking them to a actual abattoir which I borrow from a farmer friend. And at that second place I do the skinning and disemboweling. That space is certified for producing food so I can actually sell meat processed there.

After a bit of cleaning of the captive bolt gun it was time to lock and load. My friend came with the first lamb, and I chose to use the trapper.

Team US: Well, the clip point was certainly a disappointment, it struggled with the wool, and I had to use quite a lot of force to get through the skin. Mind you, the lamb is clinically brain dead after the bolt gun, so there isn't really any rush, or wellfare objections, I know some of you lot were starting to think about it. I switched over to the victorinox deboner to get the job done. Big disappointment. Second lamb, I switched to spey blade, it sort of worked. Better at least. Got the job done, and not to messy. But still struggled with the wool, and not really good compared to mr victorinox.

Team France: Third lamb, switching over to the laguiole. This was a bit cheating really, as I have used this knife for this before, once in an emergency on an injured animal (not mine) and once in a planned slaughter. It performs well in these tasks.

Team UK: Ahh, the sharpest of the folders. It cuts through wool, skin and weird tissues under the skin brilliantly, but is a bit awkward due to the very straight blade. Even thought the laguiole isn't anywhere near as sharp it cuts better in this setting due to its edge shape. I mean it gets the job well, but lacks due to it's shape. Handle is very good, good ergonomy.

General toughts, the curvature of the blade is important for this task. And also blade length. In terms of cutting skin, muscle and arteries, and if you wanna do it in one continous motion, lenght is king.


Skinning
After a cuppa and some sandwiches it was time to take down the bodies from the deblooding 2x4 and put them on a trailer and drive the half mile to the abattoir. First to do is to skin the rear hooves and cut a hole between bones and tendons and put a hanger in. After that we hang the hanger on the tail end of a chain from a winch mounted high up above the ceiling. There are stainless steel loops in the tile floor for using chains and winch to skin an animal, but we've experienced that with small animals such as lambs, it is faster to just cut and pull by hand than starting to muck about with chains and what not. But for moose and cows the winch method is faster.

After the travesty with the trapper I decided to give a good sharpening. And now it felt a bit better. I actually sharpened and stropped all knives.

Team US: Again I started out with the clip point of the trapper. And again the clip point wasn't really that impressive. It cut the skin on the legs alright, but it just would give those good runs that a good knife will give you. I had to put to much effort in to every cut. Right around when we got the first animal on the hanger and the hanger on the hook of the winch I gave up and switched over to the spey blade. Lo and behold. It was something of an epiphany. Somehow it cut beatifully! it was so small but so very precise that I could work very fast but without being sloppy. Joy to the world and hallelujah, it felt good working with that little blade. It even kept sharp for unexpected long periods of time! Remember now kids, I'm comparing with comercial grade skinning knives here, and while being far from professional at any of this I have quite a few years of slaughtering and butchering animals, both wild and domestic. This knife was really good at skinning. I could wax poetic for extended periods of time but I will continue on as not to bore you.

Team France: Initially I was sure that this would work really well, unfortunately the very pointy point was a real drawback. It really didn't work very well, it just didn't feel good, and the weird handle shape didn't really help either. I mean, it could have been worse but, nah, not again if not in an emergency.

Team UK: Well, after a stropping, mr Sheffield was ready to go again, and again it went. It skinned pretty well, but again, due to it's very straight blade you sort of have to do a lot more hand movements. So yeah, it skinned well, but not really optimal in any way, this isn't its strongest fields of use. But again, very nice on the hands.

After having tried all the folders I went back to my comercial knives, but found myself feeling that the frost and victorinox skinning knives were a bit too long, and felt clumsy compared to the little spey blade of the trapper knife. So in the end I skinned most of the bodies with the trapper! Note, I skinned and disemboweled one animal before moving on to the next but for structural purposes I separate them in the text. On a separate not, I also tried the spey blade for castrating the already dead tups. A friend who is from the middle east swears that the testes are a delicacy, so I cut a few out for him. It didn't go so easy as I thought, the little blade again struggled with skin. I guess that if I had any freudian castration complex I'm pretty much cured from it now.


Disembowelment
Many hunters around here use what's called a stomach opener which is a small crooked knife meant to cut the abdominal skin and the sternum. I think that is sh1te. That sort of knife is impossible to get proper sharp and cutting the sternum before butchering is bad form really. It looks like a right mess. So I take a sharp knife and cut the stomach open, cut around the rear sphincter, pull that out from the front and then I cut the wind pipe and esophagus loose and empty all of the innards in a for that intended container. Then I go over and trim away most of the tallow (which I save, that stuff is brilliant for leather care, soap making, wood finishing etc). I also trim away all strange glands and other weird stuff. Animals are full of repulsive thingymablobbys.

Team US: I tried, I really tried giving the clip point another chance, but as useless as it was cutting arteries, it was even worse cutting up the stomach and I will not even go near the frustration that occurs when trying to cut around an anus of a dead animal, just to see the tip of the blade bounce around. I hade to go to a frost deboning knife which I have shortened considerably and made very much more pointy. I sure hope that little clip point is a good whittler or something. I then tried the spay blade, and as sure as the clip point would disappoint, as sure was the spey blade to shine. So yeah, that little tipless blade went thru the stomach like a plow behind two good horses. The sphincter cutting match was left to others as the spey blad lacks a tip! But all other tasks were done with excellent result. Especially going inside the abdomen for trimming. It was soo good and fun to use.

Team UK: Again, really sharp, cuts really well. Though the big angle on the tip made the cutting of the rear a bit of a challenge, but it worked out alright. Cutting the abdomen worked really well too, owing to the same angle. Cutting loose windpipe and esophagus was deemed impossible due the short length, which was the same result as the american trapper. Worked well enough, but again, not really good work flow due to the straightness of the blade.

Team France: Well, it worked alright for the sphincter business, but felt too pointy for the abdomen, at this point the stomachs of the bodies had become really swollen as well so I felt a bit like a bomb crew trying to dearm a terrorist bomb. The tip got caught up a fair few times. It shone in cutting loose throaty thingys due to it's length. In total, nothing to write home about.


Conclusions
Just as in life there are no winners in this test. I mean seriously, folders are not intended for processing food for human consumption. They are not really up for it from any point of view, least food safety. But somehow I think we all fantasize about being stranded on a desert island or in a secluded valley with only our trusty EDC or maybe if we hit a roe deer with our rusted out japanese sh1tbox and somehow not get winded up on the totaled car but instead start butchering the animal in the ditch without any hanging time. I do too. And it's a good exercise to see how it works. I would say that all the tested knives would work if no other tool were available, they would just suck at different things. The exception is that little spey blade, from initial contempt and disappointment it rose to become a real alternative to professional tools. Hope you enjoyed my test, I know I did.

Note: all the animals in this test died. But with as little stress and pain as possible from my side.
 
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For someone who is not a native English speaker, you've done better than most who are!!

Great post mate ( some may find it a little too graphic in their minds, but its standard stuff for any homesteader or hunter of which there are plenty on here), and its good to see you back on the forum. I also had the victorinox upswept 5" boning knife. (black handle though) i bought it after seeing Scott Rea on youtube using it to excellent effect. But if im honest, i didn't get on with it too well, much preferring a standard straight but narrow boning knife. The fault is mine, not having the right technique, but it just feels kinda counter intuitive to how i use a knife. My dad (butcher his entire life) loves it though, i swapped him it for a steak knife hes had since the 70's. Lovely thing that is.

I also have here, a Schrade Old Timer Trapper, very similar to yours, though again, this was from the 70's, 1095 carbon steel and so well patinated, the blades look black. Being 1095, they really do take a razor edge, and hold it. They've not seen a steel or stone for at least 3 years. Though i don't use it daily or even weekly sometimes... While it does do a very good job on small game, Rabbits and Pigeon... and guts trout without issues.. i still prefer an Opinel No7 for those jobs. IIRC, i got it from this forum years ago. ( pic below). From what i read, the spey was more for castrating pigs (never used it for that) rather than cattle, but i cant see how there'd be much difference. Its still basically removing a nut from a sack... one might be bigger than the other, but he process is the same. :) The reason the Spey blade does a better job is the short but pronounced curve/belly of the blade. They cut deeper than the clip, in a shorter area, but as you say, in a more controlled way, because you can be more deliberate. Its what they were designed for. Maximum effectiveness, minimal effort, when cutting soft organic matter. Dont want to cut something you didnt intend to and cause more harm/injury, by needing a longer slice, and thus, excessive damage/wounding. I mean, the animals are alive when using it as intended.

Hope the Lamb is good. I love a bit of shoulder... The fat and tenderness just makes it so good to eat for me... Lashings of mint sauce.... Nom nom.. Only thing i don't like about lamb, is its probably the worst meat to reheat the next day. Its never as good. Can get away with a soup or a curry, but that's about it.

There's a couple i follow on Twitter/X Called Blackmarsh Homestead who are very much into all this. I you use the platform, i'd suggest checking them out if you dont already.. Same for @British Red on here , and his lovely wife Fiona (English country life on youtube) Though the animal slaughter stuff is not what they do for the most part. But useful and interesting none the less. :)



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I’ve no idea what a professional would think of it but I use an Opinel #12 Explore in camp.
I’m away from home so can’t photograph it - I’ve grabbed this picture on line. The SS blade is shorter than the usual #12 but has the 12 bolsters. It’s very strong for a folder.
You won’t need the gadgetry but would you use the gut hook? Does anyone? I have never used it when dealing with rabbits.
Opinels are easy to field strip and this plastic handled one regularly goes into a bucket of water for a wash.

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I’ve no idea what a professional would think of it but I use an Opinel #12 Explore in camp.
I’m away from home so can’t photograph it - I’ve grabbed this picture on line. The SS blade is shorter than the usual #12 but has the 12 bolsters. It’s very strong for a folder.
You won’t need the gadgetry but would you use the gut hook? Does anyone? I have never used it when dealing with rabbits.
Opinels are easy to field strip and this plastic handled one regularly goes into a bucket of water for a wash.

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Gut hooks work ok, if you know how to use them, but if you know how to use a gut hook, you know how to use a finger and a tip ( how squeamish are you comes into it). Each to their own. But i wouldnt use a 12 for rabbit. ( deer is another subject however, but for me still too big. I make knives for deer stalkers who prefer a 3" blade thats only 18mm wide).) More blade than you need. 7 is my preference for small game (air rifle quarry) Its the depth of blade which i dont like on a larger opinel, (and the 7 is only just ok be happier with a few mm less, and yes i could do that, but for the less than a tenner i paid, im not 'that' fussed).)., even the 8 is too much for me, length depth etc...... Doesn't look too much different does it.... But very noticeable in use. At least for me.

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I´m baffeled; why use a folder for slaughtering? Isn´t that awfully unhygienic? How do you get the folder cleaned so no meatresidue is left inside?
 
I´m baffeled; why use a folder for slaughtering? Isn´t that awfully unhygienic? How do you get the folder cleaned so no meatresidue is left inside?
Hmm, did you read the actual text or just the head line?

I cut, skinned and took out the guts, I didn't manually make mince. Sure, I probably got some disgusting fluids, blood and fat but not meat between the liners and spring.

I wash up my knives in hot (not teepid but hot, i.e. 65-70 degrees centigrade) and washing up liquid. Give it a good scrub with a brush and then rinse them in again hot water. Dry off with a towel and let them dry. For carbon steel blades I dry of the blade and coat with a light oil. When the handles are dry I add a drop or two of light oil to the pivot and the spring and wipe away any excess. They might not get sterile but they do not smell funky or musky so works for me.

I literally said in my post that it was a bad idea to use folders for this, and I said it was merely to answer a hypothetical question. So this isn't something I do on a regular basis
 
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I’ve no idea what a professional would think of it but I use an Opinel #12 Explore in camp.
I’m away from home so can’t photograph it - I’ve grabbed this picture on line. The SS blade is shorter than the usual #12 but has the 12 bolsters. It’s very strong for a folder.
You won’t need the gadgetry but would you use the gut hook? Does anyone? I have never used it when dealing with rabbits.
Opinels are easy to field strip and this plastic handled one regularly goes into a bucket of water for a wash.

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That sort of gut hook is better than the ones I see here. But how would you sharpen it? I would have to buy a dedicated stone and strop for it.

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These are the ones that are pretty common here. In my experience they often get caught up on the organs and puncture them. And hard to get a sharp edge on. And too wide edge angle.
 
What a great article - thanks. We do home slaughter too and I think we all develop our own preferences. I have & really like a Victorinox semi rigid boning knife like yours. A great tool. For opening the carotids I use a massive (7") fish filleting knife. It is wickedly sharp and being thin slices through skin, feathers, fur, wool & hair with ease in one long cut. It cost about £4 from Heinnies in clearance and is reserved for that job. The only problem is that it does chip if it hits bone.

I would love to see your deer processing knife Mark
 
What a great article - thanks. We do home slaughter too and I think we all develop our own preferences. I have & really like a Victorinox semi rigid boning knife like yours. A great tool. For opening the carotids I use a massive (7") fish filleting knife. It is wickedly sharp and being thin slices through skin, feathers, fur, wool & hair with ease in one long cut. It cost about £4 from Heinnies in clearance and is reserved for that job. The only problem is that it does chip if it hits bone.

I would love to see your deer processing knife Mark
It started off as a commission to a chaps own specs, his mate liked it (both deer stalkers) so he gave him his and ordered another. Then i had a few orders for more. It's nothing fancy, and tbh, it's not a design or grind i would have considered coming up with for that type of work, but its very good at it apparently.

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That sort of gut hook is better than the ones I see here. But how would you sharpen it? I would have to buy a dedicated stone and strop for it.
The 12 Explore is my everything knife in camp.
I think the only thing I’ve used the hook for as opposed to playing with it, is to cut cord.

Sharpen a gut hook? A fine round file would do everything you’d need when eventually it became blunt.

I only use an axe puck to sharpen the blade and it does what I want it to do.
 
It started off as a commission to a chaps own specs, his mate liked it (both deer stalkers) so he gave him his and ordered another. Then i had a few orders for more. It's nothing fancy, and tbh, it's not a design or grind i would have considered coming up with for that type of work, but its very good at it apparently.

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I really like that shape and can see it being very handy, but would choose full flat myself. Paired with a 3" full bellied skinner that would be awesome :wideyed:
 
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I really like that shape and can see it being very handy, but would choose full flat myself. Paired with a 3" full bellied skinner that would be awesome :wideyed:
Yeah, i would have gone with a full flat personally, but he specified the scandi, so that's what he got. He takes the heads off the deer and everything with it.
 
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That isn't really good from a hygiene perspective. Should have hung it from a tree or used a sterile plastic sheet or something. Well, each one to his own I guess.
Deer stalking isn't something i know much about mate. Small game stuff, yeah, done loads of that. I have no idea what he did with it other than the pic he sent.
 

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