camouflage why it works (or not) what insights do any one have on this?

[Brian]

sharp88,
I know blokes who used to spray their ghillie suits after they had made them, someone did mention the paint earlier. I used different coloured burlap that was already dyed on my ghillie suit which I got from work, so I'm not even sure where to look for it, hope that helps a bit mate,
Brian

 

[sharp88]

No I didnt wash the burlap. I got it by stripping down old peanut sacks I got at my local pet store. I left it in the dye solution for an hour, stirring & sqeezing the dye into it every 5-10 mins. The olive green didnt come out too bad, Its acceptable -I got a sort of muddy green from it. Its just I want to put a kind of spring green colour on the next dye batch for a grassy base layer of burlap for the suit.

I'l check the numerous fabric shops about the green mesh n see what they'v got.

If you scroll down a bit one this link, you'l see a ghillie with a weird kind of mesh material. Excuse the old fantasy wallers who think there in the army playing paintball lol
www.camopaintballgear.com/home.html

Mixed fabrics do give better depth to the texture.

 

[Brian]

Sharp88,
This might help, http://thecombatstore.co.uk/shop/product.php?productid=63&cat=11&page=1
not sure if the green is light enough for what your after, you could try cutting up a face veil for a lighter green though
Brian

 

[mr dazzler]

Other possibilty is try using a yellow dye? as it might come out a darker green on a brown/tan background.

 

[sharp88]

Ahhh yes that I could do.

Sweet site brian, cheers.

 

[Greg]

Ahjno, my point exactly....nice picture!

 

[sharp88]

Ahahaha yes I got some dylon cold dye today (the ones in the little pots), mixed up up with warm water n loads of salt and it seemed to have given the best results for dying burlap yet.

 

[Risclean]

I've had the time to do a bit of websearching and I found these links -

US patent for MARPAT camo
http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6805957-description.html

Lot of links about vision and colour perception in humans and animals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_vision

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_perception

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_perception

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visual_illusion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_perception

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_blindness

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color

http://webexhibits.org/causesofcolor/2C.html

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/ap/ar/2001/00000061/00000002/art01603

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/oct2000/970912847.Zo.r.html

http://camospecialists.co.za/zarco.html

http://www.journalofvision.org/1/2/2/article.aspx

http://www.nhc.ed.ac.uk/index.php?page=493.172.294

http://jeb.biologists.org/cgi/content/full/209/1/18

Thread in the Flora and Fauna section with some good info
http://www.bushcraftuk.com/forum/showthread.php?t=24346

Hunting camo from a military camo designer
http://www.hyperstealth.com/ecoflage/index.htm

Interestingly I have mild colourblindness which means I have difficulty distinguishing colour in the red/green spectrum, and also LEDs in the yellow/orange/red/green spectrum. My OG highlander backpack looks the same colour as my coyote brown Bulle pouch in most lighting conditions.
A tonal contrast between green and brown colours is beneficial to good camouflage regardless of whether deer or me can see a difference in the colour. I also seem to be quite sharp at picking up a bluey green, which according to Martyn's info in the other thread would be much easier for deer to spot than an olive green.

 

[Tourist]

This pick contains four (4) camo jackets, can you see them? They are:

Multicam; Flecktarn; Sumpftarn; DPM.



Note: as a reminder to myself P108 I will post the answer pic in a day or so.

 

[FGYT]

I have to say you are slightly off the mark here, if you don't break up the shape of an object it will still standout no matter the colour and pattern as you can see by your photo, although nicely painted your rifle still looks like a rifle! thats why snipers wear guilli suits and break up the shape of their weapons using scrim netting etc.
The same goes for larger objects, even when using a cam net on a landrover if there is any shadow from the vehicle visible it will stand out like a saw thumb.
You could be cammed up in a wood but if anything shiny such as a watch or glasses are neglected the sun can glint off them giving your location away.
Basically what I am trying to say is that cammo is more than just colour and pattern as stated in previous posts on this thread.

yes your quite right sharp edges are always a give away and the rifle paint is shiny in the photo as the Texture finish and repaint removed that it also has a certain amount of Gilly suit to wear when working BUT its for use against animals and movement is more important.
again a good pattern will help shape but may only work at one range and in one environment

if you squint a bit you will see the pattern break the shape and at range its not just a single green rifle shape
shape is obvious here as well as its not in the environment ie obscured etc by grass shrubs trees

even a perfectly cammo guy in full top Ghilly suit will be a sore thumb against a yellow rendered brick wall

ATB

Duncan

 

[sharp88]

Click for larger view.

Im working on a ghillie suit. Theres a bit too much spring green in it, but I will be putting more olive than green when I get more materials .