A 'Conservation' Forum?

[Dave]

Hows about a 'Conservation' Forum?

So members can educate and/or inform other members of ongoing global and local issues. Learn and understand the threats to wild places and species, and increase awareness.

Or even to just post interesting and educational Magazine or Youtube links!

Magazine link:
http://magazine.conservation.org/online/06/index.html#page01

Stop Salmon Farming:
http://www.youtube.com/user/PureSalmon#p/c/E2BB141685AF50A8/0/4ZBbYzyuwF0

Wolf UK
http://ukwolf.org/uk-wolf/4/about.html?PHPSESSID=b9bjfu93ertj41tab08cinoek0

Save Rainforests, Save Lives
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-GUv4zRHRc

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Conservation is a diverse and wide ranging field covering subjects such as:

Conservation biology, the science of the protection and management of biodiversity

Conservation movement, to protect plants, animals and their habitats

Conservation (ethic), an ethic of resource use, allocation, and protection, especially of the natural environment

Habitat conservation, a land management practice that seeks to conserve, protect and restore, habitat areas for wild plants and animals

Water conservation, reducing the use of water to protect the environment

Wildlife management, multidisciplinary practices, including conservation of species and their habitats

Conservation authorities

Marine conservation, the protection and preservation of ecosystems in oceans and seas

Soil conservation, management strategies for prevention of soil being eroded from the earth’s surface or becoming chemically altered

Conservation genetics - "an interdisciplinary science that aims to apply genetic methods to the conservation and restoration of biodiversity.

A Conservationist is a person who advocates for conservation of plants, animals and their habitats

 

[Shewie]

I read that as conversation forum at first, had me stumped for a minute.

+1 for a conservation forum, brilliant idea

There's so much going on out there that it's hard to keep up with it all sometimes. I suppose there's a chance that it could become quite heated and opinionated but we're all on the same side aren't we ?

I've definitely got a lot to learn so I'm up for it

 

[Dave]

Could become politicized. Must have been considered before.
Maybe thats why it hasnt happened?
BCUK is a very well Modded site however.
Nothing wrong with a good debate.

I reckon most people on this site would be of the same mind on most of the issues.

 

[Dave]

I would have thought [or maybe hoped] that the area of conservation would have got more support on this forum.

May I ask, why people think the subject of conservation has not recieved any support?

[I should add to this, as Rich, I do not personally have any 'active' hands on involvment in the subject, but have recognised it to be an important area.]

I have to admit to being slightly baffled as to why the bushcraft community would seemingly ignore it?

As ever. Very open minded. Not judgemnetal. Genuinely interested as to why?

Best to all of you:You_Rock_:You_Rock_:You_Rock_

 

[British Red]

I would have thought [or maybe hoped] that the area of conservation would have got more support on this forum.

May I ask, why people think the subject of conservation has not recieved any support?

[I should add to this, as Rich, I do not personally have any 'active' hands on involvment in the subject, but have recognised it to be an important area.]

I have to admit to being slightly baffled as to why the bushcraft community would seemingly ignore it?

As ever. Very open minded. Not judgemnetal. Genuinely interested as to why?

Best to all of you:You_Rock_:You_Rock_:You_Rock_

Hmmm

Genuine conservation is fine - but if it went towards socialism, eco freakery and political nonsense like fuel taxation I'd certainly want no part in it. Too much of true conservation gets caught up with a left wing agenda these days.

Red

 

[rik_uk3]

Dave, conservation often brings along rules, regulations and laws; one persons view of conservation can mean a loss of rights to another person.

I feel, and its just my opinion, that a forum about conservation here on BCUK could lead to politics etc and lots of locked threads.

For those of us interested I'm sure there are other dedicated sites to look at and take part in?

 

[Dave]

Deep Breath!

Mmmmmm indeed.

What I am glad about, is that you two especially. [British Red. And Rikuk3]. [Especially you two.]
Both long term and respected members of an excellent forum[/B]]
Have taken the time and effort to have responded. [Thankyou for taking the time chaps. ]

Posted by British Red:
'Genuine conservation is fine - but if it went towards socialism, eco freakery and political nonsense like fuel taxation I'd certainly want no part in it. Too much of true conservation gets caught up with a left wing agenda these days.'

I unserstand what you are saying BR. And from the posts which you have made, which I have read in the past. I have a great deal of respect and understanding of your position.


It is a big issue. And one I know for sure that will not be resolved lightly in this chat.
Could I offer anything different? Left wing agenda? Im not here to promote that.
And I would have to say, that I do not believe BCUK are here to promote an agenda?
Im talking abut a bigger isue here BR.
And frankly one, I would hope someone with your vast and respected experience would address.

I am certainly not suggesting a ban on anything...........

I do think there are arguments on both sides.

The arguments I have raised are not PRO or against hunting for instance.

[You would have to explain to me i further context the issues you have mentioned specifically, like fuel taxation? That would be interesting...]


My initial reaction, is that there is a middle ground here chaps, and that is All I am suggesting.

Rik Uk 3 wrote:
'Dave, conservation often brings along rules, regulations and laws; one persons view of conservation can mean a loss of rights to another person.
'I feel, and its just my opinion, that a forum about conservation here on BCUK could lead to politics etc and lots of locked threads. For those of us interested I'm sure there are other dedicated sites to look at and take part in?'

I would like to say that that: 'My own opinion of this, is that ANY conversation on a forum which could lead to 'locked threads' is not a free expression of speech.

Im sorry, and rather dissapointed if others feel different.

I am MORE than willing to listen to people who are involved in Bushcraft as Conservationists.......

Surely to respect and listen to both sides of the conservation argument is the future of bushcraft, and is therefore worthy of reccomendation?

 

[demographic]

I would have thought that conservation is a fairly natural progression from "Bushcraft".

I like the idea.

 

[Dave]

There is NO argumnet against Conservation.

 

[British Red]

Dave,

As I said - no problem from me. Hell there are pictures of the owl boxes and other conservation initiatives I'm managing out of my own beer fund on here somewhere

The big BUT from me is when people start to move from me doing things I choose to do, to taxing me and insisting they should decide what I'm obliged to do / fund / not do etc.

There are certainly plenty of arguments - but they do stray towards politics

Red

 

[Dave]

Dave,

As I said - no problem from me. Hell there are pictures of the owl boxes and other conservation initiatives I'm managing out of my own beer fund on here somewhere

The big BUT from me is when people start to move from me doing things I choose to do, to taxing me and insisting they should decide what I'm obliged to do / fund / not do etc.

There are certainly plenty of arguments - but they do stray towards politics

Red

Aye BR. No disagreement from me mate.

 

[Toddy]

From my point of view, this forum already has a plethora of places to post relevant stuff.
Folks struggle as it is to start threads in the right places.
I am also wary of it turning into a political rammy instead of a positive networking and information rich focus.
Whether that stiffles debate or not, it will get the thread locked.
"No religion, no politics, no racism", are in the forum guidelines.

Having said all that, I have been involved in conservation issues for over thirty years. I am happy to discuss, learn, post relevant information.
I am firmly of the opinion that some personal involvement by the person posting the information would be a very good thing however.

For the present, I'll flag this thread for Tony's perusal, but might I suggest that you simply introduce a topic in Other Chatter ?
That gets a lot of views.
Posted in Suggestions, bugs and feedback, it's not going to get all that much attention.

Instead of the suggestion of another forum there too, why not pick one of your links and see how the discussion goes ?

cheers,
Toddy

 

[JonathanD]

A conservation forum would lead to loads of posts from me ranting The problem with conservation is the numerous sides of the coin. Many people who are looking to conserve one species or environment will come up against another that is against those views when trying to conserve the same environment for a different species. It's a great topic, but a live wire also. I've tried to avoid the subject as much as possible on here to avoid such debates as I'm constantly battling respected groups like the National Trust and several others that are wiping out species (in my case reptiles) in the bid to make heathland more manageable and pretty for people to look at. I really wouldn't like that kind of subject to rear it's head here.

 

[Dave]

On reflection.
Clear light of day, and all that.
There probably are enough places on the site to post already without needing a new forum.
Youre probably right.

Ah well. Seemed like a good idea at the time.

 

[Toddy]

It's not a bad idea, just maybe needs background work.

It would be good to see more threads on the kind of topics you posted links to though

cheers,
M

 

[Tony]

I think that Toddy has expressed things well as have other posters in the thread. It's one of those 'in theory' it sounds good but after years of experience 'in practice' it will create problems because we're all so different as human beings, with different views, priorities, experiences, knowledge etc.

There are definitely issues and subjects that are tightly linked to our interests and as has been pointed out they come up in threads etc Creating a forum i think would create an area not just for discussion but also for ranting and would degenerate (not all the time but often enough) into threads that need closing, people that need modding and mods & members getting frustrated.

I get quite a few PM's and emails requesting that bcuk throws it's weight behind some movement, campaign or agenda, even though some of them have been quite attractive because they reflect my views it wouldn't be appropriate.

By all means create threads (in the right forums) that are conversationalist, no problem with that we can take them on an individual basis and see how it goes, although it's gone well so far.

By all means