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If water bottles freeze inside your clothes then you've not got enough layers on LOL
It is now 22.10 hours. I just put a bottle of water 97.5 C in the parka and put it in the freezer. I will check again tomorrow morning. If it is not frozen solid, it should serve me well on our trip, agreed? 
No. it's your body heat that stops the water freezing...It is now 22.10 hours. I just put a bottle of water 97.5 C in the parka and put it in the freezer. I will check again tomorrow morning. If it is not frozen solid, it should serve me well on our trip, agreed?
you'll have to put the parka on and sleep in the freezer tonight
There's a manual? I'd be interested in reading that. (if it's in this thread somewhere, let me know!)
No. it's your body heat that stops the water freezing...
you'll have to put the parka on and sleep in the freezer tonight
I just tried, I can only get a couple of fingers in the OR bottle parka
No way I am going to fit in there, and even then I would still need to fit in the freezer....maybe as another test.....
Oh.. like a pot-cosy kind of thing? not a big coat?I just tried, I can only get a couple of fingers in the OR bottle parka
must have missed that in the thread.. oops!
Not much of a test.. Freezers generally run at -18 degrees.
If you want to be sure of liquid water in the morning, a tried and tested (by me) method is to fill a nalgene bottle with hot water and throw it in your sleeping bag about 10 mins before bed time. You get a pre-heated bag, a hot water bottle to keep you warm as you fall asleep (i suffer with cold feet) and it'll still be liquid in the morning
thats a good tip same as in the norge manual
here is another one
here is another one
Once you have water, keep it next to you to prevent refreezing. Also, donot fill your canteen completely. Allowing the water to slosh around willhelp keep it from freezing.
I've not seen that manual before - cheers for the link
If there is a risk of freezing, then turn your water bottle upside-down. that way, any ice that forms on top of the water will be underneath it when you turn the bottle the right way up and you can get at any liquid water that remains in the bottle.
I was thinking of bringing my North Face base camp duffle as my main bagm I huge advantage over a ruck sack is the ease with which one can get to the contents of the pack without having to pull everything out.( used this on the last arctic trip.)
I guess it depends on how far I would have to yomp with it to get to our base site.
It does have straps so I can wear it on my back, but I am not sure that I would like to carry it for more than about a km!
30 day pack for our daily trips out of base.
I shall ring Becky and see what I can find out.
Chris.
I guess it depends on how far I would have to yomp with it to get to our base site.
It does have straps so I can wear it on my back, but I am not sure that I would like to carry it for more than about a km!
30 day pack for our daily trips out of base.
I shall ring Becky and see what I can find out.
Chris.
Not much of a test.. Freezers generally run at -18 degrees.
If you want to be sure of liquid water in the morning, a tried and tested (by me) method is to fill a nalgene bottle with hot water and throw it in your sleeping bag about 10 mins before bed time. You get a pre-heated bag, a hot water bottle to keep you warm as you fall asleep (i suffer with cold feet) and it'll still be liquid in the morning
This morning at 6:30 the water was still liquid and 11.3 C.
Make of the test what you will, but if the pot parka keeps water from freezing for more than 8 hours at -19C I think it will do nicely for our course. The general idea is to drink the water and if I haven't drunk it for 8 hours I must be dehydrating
I know people keep the parka in their sleeping bag too, as it leaks just enough warmth to be cosy.
As long as we are in our sleepings bags, we can all keep our bottles from freezing, but at some point we have to get up and do something
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Chris, I asked Becky about this. The tarp is for backup purposes, should your natural shelter turn out not to be waterproof and we get rain (hope not!), you can use the tarp as a quick fix.
By George, I think I've done it
If mister postman does his job, I should have a schnozzle and connector in a couple of days. Should give me time enough to try it out and see if it works.
Yep, just got the schnozzle in the mailbox with the all important valve connector. We should be able to pump up any exped mat with a 22 or 32 mm valve. Only takes about a minute and Bob's your uncle
It can't weigh more than a couple of grams and doesn't take up any space so no reason not to bring it.
Just did the final shopping. Candles are on the kitlist and I didn't have any in the house other than waxine lights (don't know if you call them that in English).
My beard is coming along nicely, I am starting to scare the neighbourhood children
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