Anarchy in the UK

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bushcraftbob

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Jun 1, 2007
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Firstly; apologies if a similar type thread has already been done to death!

The recent heavy snowfall has got me contemplating what would happen if a 'real' catatrophe were to happen in this country.

At the height of the snowfall earlier this month, I went to Sainsburys to do our weekly shop, and to my amazement i found the shelves of bread almost completely empty, where people were panic buying through fear of being snowed in and not being able to reach the supermarket for a few days. This then lead to further panic, as people were then worried about when the stocks were being replenished, like they were on the verge of starvation or something! It was really funny to witness.

It made me think; what would happen, if for some bizarre reason, the supermarkets could not fill their shelves for, say, 6 months, and the governmental system broke down so aid could not be provided (i.e world war, natural disaster etc). People would surely starve and anarchy would develop.

I thought to myself; "I would be ok, i could hunt Deer in the woods, catch Trout in my local river and live off the land", but with the whole country in the same predicament, everybody would surely have the same idea, and there would be hundreds of people armed to the teeth wandering around the woods, and surely all the Deer and all the trout would quickly be consumed. Rioting would develop, and people would be guarding their patches of woodland and river to prevent woodland 'looting', and surely thousands would die of starvation.

What would be your survival plan if something like the above happened? Would you try and move to a remote region like the highlands of scotland, to get away from the anarchy in the towns and cities?

I think I would try and position myself somewhere remote, near the coastline, with a good bit of woodland nearby.

Anyone else ever thought about this? The Supermarkets really have got people where they want them in this country!
 
Incidents like the snowfall show how tenuous civilized society is - I remember reading an article detailing what would happen in the fuel supplies (petrol / gas) were cut off. basically we had riots, marshal law and anarchy within a week.

People do funny things when their comfort zone is removed.
 

nickliv

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Oct 2, 2009
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I'd likely get shot by someone more ruthless and better armed than I. As would my wife and children.

I'd like to think we could get on in a barter economy, but I have serious misgivings about human nature. (See above)
 

Gweedo

Forager
Jun 23, 2005
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Somebody once said that we're three meals away from riots. The facts of the matter are that nowadays we're all beholden to the 'just in time' school of logistics. Supermarkets do not stock more than 2 or 3 days supply of products. As you check out an item at the till, the computer knows how many of that product has been sold, and how many are left on the shelf. Once the stock shelf level has reached a pre-determined amount an automatic order is sent to the distribution wharehouse and replacements delivered overnight.

As far as fuel goes, there's about twice as much capacity in peoples' car fuel tanks as there are available stocks - so it only takes a petrol shortage scare to become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

The reasonable response to prepare is to get about 3 days supply of food (in long life packaging - dried/canned) and store it. In the recent snows we dipped into our stocks for powdered milk. We have the makings for fresh bread also.

As a guide for what to stock I used the menu list from the 10 man ration pack (http://rations.vesteyfoods.com/ration_packs.asp), but remember to pack the things that you and your family are used to eating. Unfortunately, I've been unable to source compo sausages - the king of compo products. You should also consider having a small supply of fuel available (I think that legally you're limited to having 5 ltrs).

Should it all go pear shaped, I suspect that the greater part of the population wouldn't decamp to the hills to practice their non-existent skills or start to eat your pets, but would be beating down the doors of anything that looked like a distribution warehouse.
 

launditch1

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Nov 17, 2008
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Why does everyone panic buy bread??I dont get it...And if it ever came down to it i dont think this country could support the population living off the land..
Id rather panic buy some ale.
 

gregorach

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Sep 15, 2005
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Good question launditch1 - if you're panic-buying, go for flour and beans. You can't store all that bread if the power goes out.
 

Ogri the trog

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Adze

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Oct 9, 2009
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I know a bloke who believes bread is the true measure of civilization.

Good question launditch1 - if you're panic-buying, go for flour and beans. You can't store all that bread if the power goes out.

This is very true - whereas you can cook flat breads and beans on any open fire you care to light :)

Whatever you do don't confuse the Best Before: date on the dried beans with a Use By: date, we had some Best Before: Sept 2007 dried haricots the other night and they were spot on - a little 'musical', as someone else described beans on here recently, perhaps but seriously tasty and still full of protein.

Flour isn't going to keep anything like that long, a lot longer than bread of course, but at a push you could probably knock up something not a million miles from flour by grinding the beans up.

So forget flour and bread, just panic buy beans, in this scenario civilization is dead, long live beans! :D
 

Mikey P

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Nov 22, 2003
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I think the chavs/neds would take over, protecting supplies of nylon clothing and slippers/pyjamas (in case they want to go and shop at Tescos).

Then they would warehouse all the fags, cheap supermarket brand booze, Bucky, and alcopops and defend it (from other chavs/neds) with kitchen knives and trolley handles.

In the meantime, I will stockpile flour, sugar, fruit/vegetable seeds, Laphroag, compost, and live chickens. I will also raid Millets and Cotswold Outdoors for good stuff, get myself a .22 LR rifle, and barter with the normal people. I might get some nylon tracksuits from George at ASDA or Sports Direct to swap for alcohol.

:D
 

korvin karbon

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Jul 12, 2008
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Hangi roast Chav anyone?
Two problems solved in one hit!
Must be served on plastic plates with Special Brew to wash it all down...


god, that would be like baking a bomb, have you any idea how many foul chemicals are in those scumbags?????

Now seeing as they are full of manure i reckon they should be used as such.
 

Miyagi

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Aug 6, 2008
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Hangi roast Chav anyone?
Two problems solved in one hit!
Must be served on plastic plates with Special Brew to wash it all down...

Yeuch!!!

It's a pity we don't get paid for every Burberry baseball cap we hand in, like they did with squirrel tails etc...
 

Jimny

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Dec 5, 2009
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The way it strikes me, based on people watching in the supermarkets, is that the ones who panic buy would probably be the first ones to struggle and ultimately suffer, because if they're panic buying they are in no way prepared for supplies to be interrupted.

The amount of people who buy ready meals and the like ( ready made mashed potatoes !!!!! ) ,presumably because they can't cook, amaze me. If the culinary extent of the the masses amounts to opening packets and throwing things in the microwave for 3 mins, I don't think we need worry about them foraging in the wild if the worst happens, they wouldn't know what to do with things even if they could find them.

Meat comes in packets from the supermarket don't you know !! :lmao:

There is a spectacular loss/lack of practical skills among the general population these days. Many small jobs that I have undertaken since I was relatively young seem to result in most people calling in a tradesman, because thet are not capable themselves and I'm not talking rocket science here !! Their recreation is spent as indoors as possible, I guess because the great outdoors is such a big bad scary place. :pokenest:

So many people I see and work for seem to only view the outdoors as something you have to negotiate to get to the car and then to the office/shops/etc. I don't think we need worry about mass foraging, as posted above I think all we would need to worry about would be staying away from the bulk of the population till the worst is over.

According to statistics I believe the country is about 60% self sufficient in terms of food production, but that shouldn't be a problem, as I think only about 30-40% of the population are bright enough to be able to cope.

The creation of the nanny state is ultimately to blame but I do wonder what has happened to create so many stupid people. Why is nobody responsible for themselves anymore? Yes your children are obese because of the junk that is put in their food, but who is feeding it to them ????????????

Rant over, just wanted to share my twopennorth on the fact that some of us should be OK :)

Dave
 

bushwacker bob

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Sep 22, 2003
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Maximum agricultural production in the UK can support a population of 40 million. (this would take several years to achieve)
We have a population of 60 million plus. Go figure.:pokenest:
 

Miyagi

Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Aug 6, 2008
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South Queensferry
The way it strikes me, based on people watching in the supermarkets, is that the ones who panic buy would probably be the first ones to struggle and ultimately suffer, because if they're panic buying they are in no way prepared for supplies to be interrupted.

The amount of people who buy ready meals and the like ( ready made mashed potatoes !!!!! ) ,presumably because they can't cook, amaze me. If the culinary extent of the the masses amounts to opening packets and throwing things in the microwave for 3 mins, I don't think we need worry about them foraging in the wild if the worst happens, they wouldn't know what to do with things even if they could find them.

Meat comes in packets from the supermarket don't you know !! :lmao:

There is a spectacular loss/lack of practical skills among the general population these days. Many small jobs that I have undertaken since I was relatively young seem to result in most people calling in a tradesman, because thet are not capable themselves and I'm not talking rocket science here !! Their recreation is spent as indoors as possible, I guess because the great outdoors is such a big bad scary place. :pokenest:
Dave

What Dave said seems to be the norm these days.
 

Bumpy

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Apr 18, 2008
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Would all members please be aware that this is the type of subject matter that we normally frown upon, contraveining the rules as it does.....

Just thought I'd point out that there is a forum where this sort of discussion is not normally frowned upon:
http://www.ludlowsurvivors.com/

Bushcraft discussion here, Survival(ism) at Ludlow Survivors...
You'll meet some of the same people that are on here, just having a different discussion - Lofty Wiseman rather than Ray Mears.:)
 

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