Activities Scouts are not allowed to do

[Andyre]

here is the list that i mentioned in my previous post

http://www.scoutbase.org.uk/library/hqdocs/facts/pdfs/fs120084.pdf

as far as the use of knives on camp we keep all the knives and issue them for use under supervision. This means that the scouts learn the skills needed with knives but it is controlled by a leader.


Andy

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

Is there still the badge for good safe axe and knife useage ? Backwoodsman badge I think.
I was a cub, scout, sea scout, venture sea scout, Scout Ldr, Venture Scout Ldr.

Only now I wish had thanked my leaders more for the time they put into leading the troop. Thanks to all Ldrs who give up their time, for nothing, to young people.

Nick

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

Just dug out my uniforms. Still got the Land Ldrs and the Venture Sea Scout tops. Can't find the itchy wooly sea scout jersey.

Any good websites to research camps I was on ? eg vcp wurttemberg bundeslager 1990

Nick

 

[webbie]

Is there still the badge for good safe axe and knife useage ? Backwoodsman badge I think.

yeah nick i now the badge u mean, think there was also a certificate for it as well, not 100% tho, and that badge is gone and replaced with the likes of roller skating and meteorlisgit

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

We also did a badge, as a leader setting it up, think it was a survival type badge. We dropped off some PLs on a small uninhabitated island off Achnacloich, Loch Etive. They had a sheath knife and all clothing. They had to survive for two nights !

Nick

 

[brancho]

Don't know the rules on knife throwing, but it sounds like fun!

Look HERE to see a thread about knife throwing.

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

I would like to see the Risk Assessment for knife throwing.

Nick

 

[crazydave]

no worse than darts or frisbee I reckon

 

[Gray]

This all sounds very complicated to me but I haven't been a scout for about 25 years.
I can understand that to only allow folding blades is a convenient way to stop the knifecraze but isn't learning to use knife, axe, saw and rope the bread and butter of scouting any more?
What is the "mission statement" for the scout movement today?


"Whats the difference between the scouts and the brittish army?"
"Scouts don't have heavy artillery!"

Sorry but as a scout leader and an ex soldier,I have to say that our scouts are not trained in camouflage and concealment, escape and evasion, pyros, explosives/domolitions and we certainly dont encourage them to kill anyone

 

[brancho]

I ubderstood it was paintballing as others have said here.
Ther last time I did some training our district advice on knives was this 'knives to be kept in a locked, preferably steel box and only one knife is allowed out of the box at a time'.
And no knives not even SAKs on site or any activity, which is very limiting, and largely ignored.

But the Felling axe will be OK though

I had our local campsite warden come up to me and say I could not carry my knife (he was joking though) so asked about the felling a few feet away then he laughed and pointed the other people on site were all coppers.

 

[Rob]

The archery rules are a bit of a challenge, especially when it comes to putting on some field archery.

The scouts used to make a lot of money from the National Field Archery Society, who used to use Scout land for some of their championships. Alas, now we just have to find other places to host them.

I really do think that the rules should be reviewed as they are really target archery biased. My understanding of the rule relating to field archery is that events will have to come under the insurance of the provider, with whatever restrictions have been placed on the activity with reference to coaching and supervision. In my opinion the archery leader qualification does not cover all of the potential aspects of archery in the woods and I would be looking for a field archery specific qualification. This will hopefully add more intracacy in the shooting done as the coach should have good knowledge of course laying as well.

You have to look at the areas of field archery that do not include animal targets (not just faces as 3Ds and 2Ds can not be used either).

 

[Scots_Charles_River]

Beecraigs Country Park near me, has a fenced off section, to do field archery and it has high 6ft plus fences, presumably to reduce the risk of poeple walking thru the woods ?

 

[JimN]

You have to look at the areas of field archery that do not include animal targets (not just faces as 3Ds and 2Ds can not be used either).

Which is basically the GNAS interpretation of field archery

 

[crazydave]

We also did a badge, as a leader setting it up, think it was a survival type badge. We dropped off some PLs on a small uninhabitated island off Achnacloich, Loch Etive. They had a sheath knife and all clothing. They had to survive for two nights !

Nick

cor thats like being a youth in sparta - wouldn't be allowed now unless you have a full campsite next to them, satellite phone, 5 leaders, rescue boat and paramedic ready. form m, form w, form c, first aid cert and a note from your mum

 

[crazydave]

Sorry but as a scout leader and an ex soldier,I have to say that our scouts are not trained in camouflage and concealment, escape and evasion, pyros, explosives/domolitions and we certainly dont encourage them to kill anyone

do your lot not read the anarchists cookbook then? I used to spend hours fending that off once the kids discovered the internet 10 years ago or so. I understand youtube now has videos too

my gsl loved the suggestion of the insurgency award when I brought it up

 

[Spunyarn]

Have a word with your local army barracks. Most (or atleast some), of the PTIs their will be qualified enough to take the little darlings and through them over any army obstacle course (Civilian Users or Army Obstacle Course). Fun for all, and good for future recruiting.

 

[FGYT]

was told by my Dad today (hes been a leader for a very long time)

its in the constituion or rules etc Scouts are not allowed to us e a knife with a blade over 3" lucky they make sliced bread if thats true and guess thats clippers out then
I assume leader have to conform the the same rules and best BG doens use his own knife when in new Cheif scout uniform

ATB

Duncan

 

[Dave Budd]

There are lots of myths about what scouts can and can't use/carry in the way of knives. So much so I was asked to write an article for it in the Scout magazine a while ago!

The official word is quite grey, but basically scouts are no longer allowed to carry a knife (doesn't say whether it is fixed, folding or lock) to a normal meeting or on camp unless the leaders have given them prior permissioon to do so on account of them needing to use it for specific tasks (such as food prep or shelter building, etc)

It used to be part of the rules that a knife was worn on teh belt as part of the uniform. Now it is that a knife should not be carried unless it is needed and permission has been given. But it is still a part of teh scouting life. They still have plenty of badges ot work for that require the use of a knife, axe, saw, etc

Whether individual groups allow the scouts to own or use particular types of knife is down to those leaders. Some may be happy with the kids carrying a street legal pocket knife to meetings (as long as they are not flashing it around then I would because they are not breaking the law and the Offcicial Regs just say "knife", which I take to mean a fixed blade as that does have a legal implication for carrying it)

My scout group have just finished making their very own knives and while I'm not letting them bring them along to meetings, I will find plenty of good reasons for them to use them. that way they become mundain objects not something excitnig to flash about.

 

[brancho]

was told by my Dad today (hes been a leader for a very long time)

its in the constituion or rules etc Scouts are not allowed to us e a knife with a blade over 3"

As Dave says no such rule just a myth.

 

[FGYT]

i was hoping so but hes been in scouting since the 70's and runs many courses (he was my scout leader ) and was adamant it was in the regs i will ask him where its a shame PC grips so many aspects of life.

ATB

Duncan

PS ive looked online etc and i cant find any ref to it

http://www.scouts.org.uk/support_resource_view.php?support_resource_id=1515
tho they do gloss the law a little in the PC favour

http://www.scouts.org.uk/support_resource_view.php?support_resource_id=71