National Risk Register/National Resilience Update - Nothing new to us.

[Sooty22]

I have my doubts that a shotgun would take out a fast FPV drone unless you were a very good shot with good reflexes. A small drone can hit around 80mph. If it was coming straight at you, you've got a couple of seconds to notice it, prep, aim and take it out. Obviously, if you knew there were drones about, that would help. Above a couple of hundred feet, you can barely hear them. If it was to dive at you, again, you only have less than a couple of seconds to acquire and engage.

A drone unloaded yes, one loaded with a 1kg+ warhead (which is what they tend to carry, just the front of an RPG round with a contact fuze) cannot go that fast and would likely struggle to hit 40-50mph. C4 is too high tech and needs proper blasting caps and an ignition mechanism; they just duct-tape a round under the drone. And the drones designed to fly in a stable way and hover can generally not dive very well, but they rather spiral down or perform a shallow approach. Or -and this one is a ******* to defend against- they drop their load from straight above you and with usually lethal precision.

Skeet flies at 60+mph, and some of the boys shooting clays struggle to miss more than 1-2 per session. There's actually a few youtube videos of the world clays champion having fun with drones. Absolutely zero chance anything would go past him, taking out even multiple drones. Admittedly, he was seriously sweaty and said it was 'very exciting' which -coming from a Finn- probably means 'I was about to have a heart attack'

 

[TeeDee]

Maybe there should be incentives to get folks to take up clay pigeon shooting. As that is perhaps the only thing anywhere useful......

GC

Would be useful if they could train on clays that are coming towards you in an erratic evasive fashion through obstacles with no clear idea of the direction they are travelling in as opposed to nice low to high , left-to-right , right-to-left , down range apogee.

 

[TLM]

Admittedly, he was seriously sweaty and said it was 'very exciting' which -coming from a Finn- probably means 'I was about to have a heart attack'

More likely that it is Wednesday instead of just Tuesday.

 

[HorseGuy]

This has been very informative. I've probably learnt more about drone warfare from this thread in the past 24 hours than I have from all the other media put together since the Ukraine war started.

 

[ONE]

I have my doubts that a shotgun would take out a fast FPV drone unless you were a very good shot with good reflexes. A small drone can hit around 80mph. If it was coming straight at you, you've got a couple of seconds to notice it, prep, aim and take it out. Obviously, if you knew there were drones about, that would help. Above a couple of hundred feet, you can barely hear them. If it was to dive at you, again, you only have less than a couple of seconds to acquire and engage.

1Rifles have certainly been training with Mossberg 590s in the counter FPV drone role, although MOD sources were keen to point out it's part of a layered approach.

 

[Everything Mac]

Battling FPV drones on the streets of the UK seems a touch far fetched at this point no?

Anyway a link with an interesting calculator from the Swiss

BWL

 

[Broch]

Battling FPV drones on the streets of the UK seems a touch far fetched at this point no?

Anyway a link with an interesting calculator from the Swiss

BWL

That's rather a useful guideline especially for people that are not used to thinking in this way.

 

[TLM]

Battling FPV drones on the streets of the UK seems a touch far fetched at this point no?

Just watch Hitchcock's Birds once more and replace ordinary crazed avians with exploding ones.

 

[Nice65]

Battling FPV drones on the streets of the UK seems a touch far fetched at this point no?

Anyway a link with an interesting calculator from the Swiss

BWL

Makes what should be an informative thread unreadable for me. Rather than a discussion and resource, it’s war games fantasy fiction. Like the knife law threads when Kiri posts something useful and someone can’t help but bring up stabbing, quickly followed by biro or screwdriver.

 

[Falstaff]

That's a very interesting link and saves quite a lot of head scratching if you want a quick and easy guideline. It's a pragmatic balance between calorific needs and common Swiss packaging sizes. e.g. 1 kg of coffee is the same for 1 or 2 persons for 7 or 14 days. Strangely the vegetarian option still includes 500g or meat, either a software error or beggars can't be choosers.

The only battling FPV drones in the UK should be taking out the drones taking drugs into the prisons.

 

[slaine_23]

We know the technology to make drones already exists.
We know the technology to make advanced AI control of drones already exists.

So it's not a giant leap that the technology which could allow the necessary 'hive-mind' style of communication between AI's is already being developed. Even if we haven't seen it used on the battlefield yet it's likely it probably it exists in some developmental form or other in military labs around the world already. It's such an obvious next logical step the military industrial complex must surely be working on it already.

Swarming drones and drones programmed to act in a pack, for either search and rescue (or destroy) have been around for a while.
They can be out manoeuvred by jamming, which has lead to the miles and miles of non-jammable fiber optic string let behind by drones in Ukraine.
The new sort of warfare is apparently very like sniper warfare where either moving or gathering in a group makes one a target for someone 10 miles away watching through FPV goggles. Scary biscuits.

 

[Everything Mac]

Makes what should be an informative thread unreadable for me. Rather than a discussion and resource, it’s war games fantasy fiction. Like the knife law threads when Kiri posts something useful and someone can’t help but bring up stabbing, quickly followed by biro or screwdriver.

Agreed. Pure pseudo military nonsense.

I'd far rather see a practical and sensible discussion about it all. I've watched a fair few prepper vids lately and picking out the useful information is taxing at best.

 

[slowworm]

If it's any help, we've had some 'planned' power cuts this week and it seems to have finally killed our ancient freezer. I'm certainly glad we're not overly reliant on it and have a good range of packets, tins and pouches for the bulk of our stores. Always good to put the theory into practice.

 

[slaine_23]

We here Ireland (assume it’s across the country) just got a gov booklet through the door about preparedness for emergencies - stock up on food, water, have important documents easy to hand, in water proof bags etc. Without dusting of the ol’ tinfoil hat, it is a bit weird, though maybe following on from similar that people have mentioned in other countries.

 

[Woody girl]

I've had nothing from the gov telling me to prepare anything, neither has anyone I've spoken to in the last month or so.
Nobody is even aware that we are being advised to stock up. Many have no alternative heating, lighting, or cooking abilities.
Good job im ahead of others round here.
Putting black out curtains up this weekend so that my home will look dark from outside.
Be aware security cameras and ring doorbells will probably be out of action too in a power outage. No power or Internet renders them useless unless they are plugged into an alternative power source, and if Internet is down no notification on your phone. Maybe something to look at.

 

[bearbait]

It's worth considering keeping some appropriate "stuff" in the car / van in case the air movement device is hit by the untreated effluent while one is out and about, perhaps commuting. I always have a small rucksack in the car that'd keep me going for 24hrs or so to get me home or to safety in case I, for some reason, decide to park upside-down in a ditch or similar.

 

[Sooty22]

I think quite a few peppers want everything to collapse….

Some, possibly. The very very very rich ones (I am talking multi-million prepping) who can afford to prep much more than others, or maybe the 'newbie' 'romantic' ones who think they will do better than most.

Both these categories can be a bit delusional about how they will make it through to something 'much better', not realising that a) that 'much better' light at the end of the tunnel they see is Darth Vader's lightsaber and b) all it takes is something they have not accounted for on the way, and they are toast. Other than that, their 'individual' prepping will just prolong their misery a little longer than most.

The rich ones are unlikely to change their minds. The newbies -if they take it seriously and think it over a bit- will soon come to the conclusion that the main part of prepping is developing a large network you can rely on, if you want to ever recover somewhat from whatever happens. And then they realise it's best if not everything collapses, that prepping is like a liferaft, and that it's better to be on the boat than on a liferaft.

 

[GeraldTheBonsai]

Some, possibly. The very very very rich ones (I am talking multi-million prepping) who can afford to prep much more than others, or maybe the 'newbie' 'romantic' ones who think they will do better than most.

Both these categories can be a bit delusional about how they will make it through to something 'much better', not realising that a) that 'much better' light at the end of the tunnel they see is Darth Vader's lightsaber and b) all it takes is something they have not accounted for on the way, and they are toast. Other than that, their 'individual' prepping will just prolong their misery a little longer than most.

The rich ones are unlikely to change their minds. The newbies -if they take it seriously and think it over a bit- will soon come to the conclusion that the main part of prepping is developing a large network you can rely on, if you want to ever recover somewhat from whatever happens. And then they realise it's best if not everything collapses, that prepping is like a liferaft, and that it's better to be on the boat than on a liferaft.

Like all groups, there are always extremes. Whilst a small number of preppers might want everything to come tumbling down, most preppers are much more realistic. Historically, I think preppers have always suffered from being depicted as swivel eyed, gun toting loons, that want to run to the hills. Now we are seeing the very rich who are regarding themselves as preppers because they can afford all of the latest kit to be able to take themselves totally off grid. (Both extremes also tend to be in the US...)

I think the reality is that most look at things like the Risk Register, follow things in the news and decide that they are probably a bit exposed.

 

[Broch]

And, they haven't played or watched Fallout

 

[HorseGuy]

And, they haven't played or watched Fallout

Maybe it's because they have played and watched Fallout. That universe is fun. If they watched Threads instead of Fallout maybe they might not want a total collapse.