There are variables but there's a LOT of truth to that.
I don't remember for sure but in another thread didn't you say you were (or have been) RCMP?
Carrying an Axe/Knife and the Law
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There are variables but there's a LOT of truth to that.
I don't remember for sure but in another thread didn't you say you were (or have been) RCMP?
No I just trained with them in college. I worked security in the night clubs for more years than I care to admit, as an armored car driver and guard, and as a correctional officer.
I wanted to be an artist or a history professor. That never worked out.
I wanted to be an artist or a history professor. That never worked out.
I was less than a couple of minutes away from this last night
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/u...red-in-knife-attack-at-heworth-metro-station/
The blade wasn't the problem it was the person on the end of the handle.
As many have said before it is the person that commits the crime not the article, it's hard to legislate against people, it's easy to ban articles.
Had I been there & got involved I fear the repercussions that could have awaited me, surely that isn't right when acting in defence of yourself or your fellow man?
http://www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/u...red-in-knife-attack-at-heworth-metro-station/
The blade wasn't the problem it was the person on the end of the handle.
As many have said before it is the person that commits the crime not the article, it's hard to legislate against people, it's easy to ban articles.
Had I been there & got involved I fear the repercussions that could have awaited me, surely that isn't right when acting in defence of yourself or your fellow man?
Sounds like we had a similar career path. I began in security as a part time job while still on active military duty; also mostly in clubs. About a year before I retired from the Air Force I joined the Okaloosa County Sheriff's Posse (an unpaid reserve) Then I went on to go full time deputy for a couple of years (both in the jail and on patrol although in a neighboring county) before switcing to corrections at the state prison level for the next 11 years.
The training and standards were good but no where near the levels of either the Highway Patrol or the RCMP. You were fortunate to be able to train with them.
Contrary to the apparant Hollywood perception; most weaponry of the Dark ages, and the subsequent medieval were farming implements 
The Vikings raided, landed, settled, and became native within two generations. That's reality.
No, the heavy cloth, the net and the leather are Roman defence tactics against a man armed with a blade. It was called gladiator combat.
They didn't have guns, so they just had to get on with it.
It was a delight to them that the techically 'unarmed' usually won.
Toddy
The Vikings raided, landed, settled, and became native within two generations. That's reality.
No, the heavy cloth, the net and the leather are Roman defence tactics against a man armed with a blade. It was called gladiator combat.
They didn't have guns, so they just had to get on with it.
It was a delight to them that the techically 'unarmed' usually won.
Toddy
"Gladiators were a form of entertainment. A contrived combat far, far from actual combat. My invitation to a real training session stands.
Yep the best defence from a knife is to keep out of reach or to take a leaf out of the medieval peasants book and use a poleaxe I don't know anything more about kung fu than I have seen in the movies, but I have had the occasional bit of fun challenging people from various clubs to block an attack from my walking stick and disarm me. All in fun, but even where they are fast enough to deflect or grab the stick, by that time I am close enough to tap them and say. "that could have been a knife"
I hasten to say I carry a stick not for defence but support. They also have a multitude of other uses too and are fun to make.
I don't know anything more about kung fu than I have seen in the movies, but I have had the occasional bit of fun challenging people from various clubs to block an attack from my walking stick and disarm me. All in fun, but even where they are fast enough to deflect or grab the stick, by that time I am close enough to tap them and say. "that could have been a knife" I hasten to say I carry a stick not for defence but support. They also have a multitude of other uses too and are fun to make.
By in large the majority of deaths in the Dark Ages were from the Scramasax (and variants), then the axe, and then the spear etc. Swords being pretty rare. Viking settlement aside, the reason that the left their homeland in the first place was due to many political social and economic reasons at home. One of the main ones being everyone was hungry, crapping in a ditch, and chopping one another's heads off. The same thing that was going on everywhere else on earth at the time. The free land for the taking in Iceland should have made for a reasonably violence free place. The saga tell us differently. Family feuds and blood vendettas were all to common place, so much so that people packed up for Greenland.
Violence was still too profitable to give up because the rewards outweighed the risks if you were young, strong and owned steel.
Violence was still too profitable to give up because the rewards outweighed the risks if you were young, strong and owned steel.
Yep the best defence from a knife is to keep out of reach or to take a leaf out of the medieval peasants book and use a poleaxe
I hasten to say I carry a stick not for defence but support. They also have a multitude of other uses too and are fun to make.
It has been my experience that the best defense weapon against an attacker armed with an edged weapon is a Ford F-150 truck.
Now here is an interesting defence against a knife http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_md3c0p3Ds51r1io1co1_1280.jpg
Carravagio did not just paint it, he lived it, in rather violent times.
Carravagio did not just paint it, he lived it, in rather violent times.
Economic migration is nothing new. Technological development in Scandinavia meant huge population growth. They went looking for adventure, loot, land and status. Their own sagas tell as much.
Somerled, the forerunner of the Lords of the Isles, was named such because he was a Summer Viking
Once the crop was in he went raiding. By the time they'd been there a couple of generations and married into the locals, (we call them Galgael....strange or foreign Gael, mixed Scot and Viking) they just expanded their trading networks, adopted the local religion, much of their authoritarian structure and started bitching about having to pay taxes and still owe allegiance to the old kings back home in Scandinavia.
Sound familiar ?
Most folks of the time died of disease and malnourishment.
Pole arms are incredibly effective in pre gunpowder battles. Shiltrons took down the charges of armoured mounted knights. Once the knights were down the men at arms simply butchered them.
At the end of the day fitness, strength, force of numbers are one thing; the reality under discussion by the OP is the constraints imposed upon the general public, in attempts to restrain the ability of a few to cause violence with knives.
Most folks here aren't bothered by the constraints, they really aren't an issue for most people.
'Here' being in the central belt of Scotland in 2013.
cheers,
Toddy
Somerled, the forerunner of the Lords of the Isles, was named such because he was a Summer Viking
Once the crop was in he went raiding. By the time they'd been there a couple of generations and married into the locals, (we call them Galgael....strange or foreign Gael, mixed Scot and Viking) they just expanded their trading networks, adopted the local religion, much of their authoritarian structure and started bitching about having to pay taxes and still owe allegiance to the old kings back home in Scandinavia.
Sound familiar ?
Most folks of the time died of disease and malnourishment.
Pole arms are incredibly effective in pre gunpowder battles. Shiltrons took down the charges of armoured mounted knights. Once the knights were down the men at arms simply butchered them.
At the end of the day fitness, strength, force of numbers are one thing; the reality under discussion by the OP is the constraints imposed upon the general public, in attempts to restrain the ability of a few to cause violence with knives.
Most folks here aren't bothered by the constraints, they really aren't an issue for most people.
'Here' being in the central belt of Scotland in 2013.
cheers,
Toddy
Most people suffer from group think and crowd effect and do what the TV tells them to do.
The attempts to restrain the few violent persons from committing crimes by constraining the general public's ability to own carry and use them is fallacious. Viewed in another metaphor, banning forks will decrease obesity. A straw man argument yes, but you see the connection.
In Canada you can carry any knife so long as it is not concealed. You can carry your Samurai sword to martial arts class if you want so long as it is not concealed. Don't take it to the movies though... Conceal it or wave it around you will get asked once by the police to put it down. Refuse and at best you get tazered but more likely shot. There are those that want to take tazers away from the police because a minority of people die from cardiac arrest when tazed by police. A majority however die from gunshot wounds when shot by police. The ban people forget that. So you can ban, limit the public and ban and limit the police, both result in no effect on criminal use of weapons.
Remove all the knives in Britain and drink your meals through straws if you like. We will then talk about banning ball peen hammers due to the upsurge in hammer crime.
The attempts to restrain the few violent persons from committing crimes by constraining the general public's ability to own carry and use them is fallacious. Viewed in another metaphor, banning forks will decrease obesity. A straw man argument yes, but you see the connection.
In Canada you can carry any knife so long as it is not concealed. You can carry your Samurai sword to martial arts class if you want so long as it is not concealed. Don't take it to the movies though... Conceal it or wave it around you will get asked once by the police to put it down. Refuse and at best you get tazered but more likely shot. There are those that want to take tazers away from the police because a minority of people die from cardiac arrest when tazed by police. A majority however die from gunshot wounds when shot by police. The ban people forget that. So you can ban, limit the public and ban and limit the police, both result in no effect on criminal use of weapons.
Remove all the knives in Britain and drink your meals through straws if you like. We will then talk about banning ball peen hammers due to the upsurge in hammer crime.
You're not listening.
No one is banning eating implements.
All that's being restrained is the carrying of a knife, out of context, in a public place.
That's it......oh and samuarai swords are a no-no too........but then they're not really of much use for anything but slicing off heads and blitzing watermelons.....one's illegal and the other doesn't grow here. Nice shinies though
As for the tv and folks following it's edicts ........ oh please
we teach children in primary school to look for the agenda behind the propaganda. Primary school children know not to carry knives, it's not a problem, the problem comes when they grow up and teenage boys do the whole machismo thing Knives as in sheath knives, bushcraft knives, bowie knives, kukhris, swords, daggers, etc., etc., have no use to the majority of the population. They couldn't care tuppence that they're not allowed to carry them around without a need for them. Urban society, mind ?
It's only under discussion here because it inconveniences 'us' when we want to travel on public transport with them.
Toddy
(Puts hand up) I do - I have a Spyderco Bug in my handbag. Comes in very useful for cutting string and opening parcels.
Magpiewolf that was a gun I said, not a knife.
There's a knife in my handbag too
The wee spyderco bug is a brilliant neat wee tool
It's on my keyring
M
There's a knife in my handbag too
The wee spyderco bug is a brilliant neat wee tool
It's on my keyring M
Free Saxons were advised to keep their spear with them even while ploughing. Walking through a wood or approaching a village it was safer to blow your horn regularly, see cowboy films "Hello the camp" for a more recent example of the practice.
Interesting point about the sax or seax. It is held to be the national weapon of the Saxons, from which they derived their name (eminent historians have said so). Therefore it is perfectly legal for an English person to carry a seax. Worth pointing out that the historical evidence for this is older than that used to justify the carrying of a Skean Dhu by Scots. There isn't even a need to show it is a Highland Scot so carrying although it was probably as foreign to the Lowlander as to the English.
Interesting point about the sax or seax. It is held to be the national weapon of the Saxons, from which they derived their name (eminent historians have said so). Therefore it is perfectly legal for an English person to carry a seax. Worth pointing out that the historical evidence for this is older than that used to justify the carrying of a Skean Dhu by Scots. There isn't even a need to show it is a Highland Scot so carrying although it was probably as foreign to the Lowlander as to the English.
The sgian dubh was simply the knife a man was allowed, after the proscription of bearing arms and wearing tartan, to keep to cut his meat for eating.
The sgian ochlas was more common among the lowlanders than the dirk.
Both were simply the brought up to date medieval dagger. Funnily enough we even have Bronze Age daggers much the same shape as the sgian dubh; it seems to be a very practical size and shape.
The Highlander took the dirk and used it with the targe to create a three weapon one man assault. Claymore in one hand, targe and dirk in the other. Raise the targe when the opponent is fighting off the claymore and stab throat/face/belly with the dirk.
Sheesh, but this thread has rambled
M
The sgian ochlas was more common among the lowlanders than the dirk.
Both were simply the brought up to date medieval dagger. Funnily enough we even have Bronze Age daggers much the same shape as the sgian dubh; it seems to be a very practical size and shape.
The Highlander took the dirk and used it with the targe to create a three weapon one man assault. Claymore in one hand, targe and dirk in the other. Raise the targe when the opponent is fighting off the claymore and stab throat/face/belly with the dirk.
Sheesh, but this thread has rambled
M
From what I saw in the UK, the kids were roped together and dressed in high visibility vests to walk to the middle class park watched over by middle class guys working for CCTV companies. Basically teaching them to be victims and to aspire to be in the middle of the flock of sheep when the wolves come. Those kids will never pick up a knife to defend themselves. They will ring 999 and hopefully be rushed to hospital in time. When seconds count the police are just minutes away.
The kid that picks up the knife are the Glaswegian city kids I ran into that jumped onto the trains without paying and told the ticket guy all manner of insulting things. The kid who's mom works 2 jobs to survive one of which may be at Diamond Dolls and who's dad used to kick the crap out of him while wasted on Buckfast. The same kid who gets the crap kicked out of him because he is not wearing the right sports shirt. The kid that knows everyone that is out to victimize him is carrying so in spite of no criminal record he chooses to carry as well.
When that kid is scared and kills someone for the first time and goes to prison where there are warm meals, a bed, he gets to hang out all day with people that understand him and respect him for killing someone, the guards do not beat on him nearly as hard as his father did and this is a far better existence than anything he has ever known... you have a serious societal problem.
Passing laws so that I cannot carry my axe and camping knife on the train will do nothing to help or discourage that kid from ending up in prison.
The kid that picks up the knife are the Glaswegian city kids I ran into that jumped onto the trains without paying and told the ticket guy all manner of insulting things. The kid who's mom works 2 jobs to survive one of which may be at Diamond Dolls and who's dad used to kick the crap out of him while wasted on Buckfast. The same kid who gets the crap kicked out of him because he is not wearing the right sports shirt. The kid that knows everyone that is out to victimize him is carrying so in spite of no criminal record he chooses to carry as well.
When that kid is scared and kills someone for the first time and goes to prison where there are warm meals, a bed, he gets to hang out all day with people that understand him and respect him for killing someone, the guards do not beat on him nearly as hard as his father did and this is a far better existence than anything he has ever known... you have a serious societal problem.
Passing laws so that I cannot carry my axe and camping knife on the train will do nothing to help or discourage that kid from ending up in prison.
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