A little disappointed with Ray Mears
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I fish and hunt. I have respect for my quarry but I don't believe in spiritual clap trap and I'm certainly not going to mourn the death of an animal I've taken. What do you do in your city supermarkets, get on your knees and wail to Wotan (or whatever imaginary friend it is) through the meat section?
i do,...
i show respect for the Sainsbury's Original Recipe Pork and Apple Sausages by wearing them as a necklace until ripened,..
Hahaha. The worst I do is wear their face like a mask whilst I do a little kooky dance. .....only on a Wednesday though.
As to get on board on this ethics thing Dear OP, I too heard about the contact of ice and fish to be believed to cause and extrem thermal shock, that is mainly transported to their central nervous system by their ( help me god I do not know the translation for this term ^^) Feeling organ that is at the flanks of most species of fish, this causes a shock like state lowering all feeling to the severely low, and so it can die a lot more peacefull, and as for the don't keep them dangling on the hook thing:
Its something other then most people believe it is, seeing the fact the majority of fish have the same amount of nerve endings in their lip-sides as we do in our foot callus( okay so I could find a better example^^), the thing why you shouldn't leave them dangle is because they can inflict serious harm to them selves by flopping around harshly when suspended on the hook. kinda like leaving a blender or Router on without something slowing it down, it will flop so hard that it actually will break something inside of it self, this I heard from a fish farmer who for that reason always holds its koi's with two hands, one near the head and one near the tail.
Hope that gives a better perspective in this matter,
Yours sincerely Ruud
ps sorry for the long post people
Its something other then most people believe it is, seeing the fact the majority of fish have the same amount of nerve endings in their lip-sides as we do in our foot callus( okay so I could find a better example^^), the thing why you shouldn't leave them dangle is because they can inflict serious harm to them selves by flopping around harshly when suspended on the hook. kinda like leaving a blender or Router on without something slowing it down, it will flop so hard that it actually will break something inside of it self, this I heard from a fish farmer who for that reason always holds its koi's with two hands, one near the head and one near the tail.
Hope that gives a better perspective in this matter,
Yours sincerely Ruud
ps sorry for the long post people
So to give my opinion,
I do not think he was wrong in his actions, yet I personally would have killed the fish on the spot
I think that what the problem is here, is that we anthropomorphise the fish to much, me included that is why I would perform the instant Coupe du grace, if I'm spelling that right. It is in our culture to make such a perspective of animals
yet allot of mistakes and suffering come from this style of affection.
I wish you all a good night and will be interested to hear your opinion on this matter.
Yours sincerely Ruud
I do not think he was wrong in his actions, yet I personally would have killed the fish on the spot
I think that what the problem is here, is that we anthropomorphise the fish to much, me included that is why I would perform the instant Coupe du grace, if I'm spelling that right. It is in our culture to make such a perspective of animals
yet allot of mistakes and suffering come from this style of affection.
I wish you all a good night and will be interested to hear your opinion on this matter.
Yours sincerely Ruud
I think you may be refering to the "lateral sensing" organ? I'm not sure that's the right term either but probably close. If so, then I believe it's the way fish "hear." it senses the vibrations in the water that would echo on our eardrums.
Mind you my comments are based on a vaguely remembered article I read years ago.
I like em still flopping around when I put em in the frying pan I don't have to flip em LOL.....
Next thing is even if he does dispatch em someone else will complain about that too guess you just cant fix sheople....
Next thing is even if he does dispatch em someone else will complain about that too guess you just cant fix sheople....
No, that's fair enough, and thanks for the info in the post before. Nice to see someone prepared to discuss it sensibly, without all the eye-rolling or chestbeating.
Glad of the input.
All the best
Boy, you have got a lot to say, haven't you
. Personally, I try to stay out of city supermarkets as much as possible, but then again, without being psychic, how would you know that? Ahh, yes, you woudn't
Boy, you have got a lot to say, haven't you
Personally, I try to stay out of city supermarkets as much as possible, but then again, without being psychic, how would you know that? Ahh, yes, you woudn't
I don't believe in psychics either.
*Perhaps, just to clarify, when I used the word 'you' it was as a general reference to anyone on the thread who was slating Ray's handling of said organism.
*The joy of forums
- having to explain everything.
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I don't believe in psychics either.
*Perhaps, just to clarify, when I used the word 'you' it was as a general reference to anyone on the thread who was slating Ray's handling of said organism.
*The joy of forums
My apologies. Saw what wasn't there. All the best.
I don't believe in psychics either.
*Perhaps, just to clarify, when I used the word 'you' it was as a general reference to anyone on the thread who was slating Ray's handling of said organism.
*The joy of forums
hug??,........
Jains won't eat root vegetables, on the grounds that the root is the one part that a plant can't go without. Take its fruit, take its leaves (within reason) and it will grow them back again. Take its root, and it is dead forever.
K.
Wow! Haven't really been on here the last couple days but it's good to see the Ray Mears thread is still going strong...I'm not going to bother reading the posts though.
Don't they always?
Personally I think Bear has the right idea dispatching his fish straight away by biting through the spinal cord.......
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