Why have Fallkniven changed the DC4?
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I loved my first dc4, shaving sharpness on a clipper in just a few minutes. Then I had to go an ruin the thing trying to re profile an axe (oh the folly of youth!). Anyway, the nice people at fallkniven sent me a new one for free but I am sadly disappointed with it. The diamond side was very very coarse to begin with - this obviously has since worn down but my original never started out that coarse - and it now starting to fade away with very minor use. It also seems that the metal plate the diamonds are on isn't completely flat. I've not bothered to put it up against something to see just how off it is as I don't use it very much any more but it does seem like quality control has dropped a bit. Do you think they've changed manufacturers?
hmmm not so nice!
I bought two of the newer DC4's as field sharpeners. Luckily I also have a small pocket hard arkansas stone, to go along.....but the black stuff is indeed no way near 2000.
I hope they don't wear so as soon as stated.....
The rough black stuff is a bit improved after 2 times use.
@ all the comments about whining!:
since alot of people dislike poor quality, its waste on the enviroment for manufacturing, its wast on your wallet (since avalability of cash
and heigth of prices in 2012 are terrible), the principles of bushcraft.....it IS something to whine about.
And: my knife is evenly important as my stones. A stone and its knife are like bride and groom!
My advice on quality and prices on stones; get a Honyama Quarry Stones while still available. They are the best so far as I know (in my modest opinion)
I bought two of the newer DC4's as field sharpeners. Luckily I also have a small pocket hard arkansas stone, to go along.....but the black stuff is indeed no way near 2000.
I hope they don't wear so as soon as stated.....
The rough black stuff is a bit improved after 2 times use.
@ all the comments about whining!:
since alot of people dislike poor quality, its waste on the enviroment for manufacturing, its wast on your wallet (since avalability of cash
and heigth of prices in 2012 are terrible), the principles of bushcraft.....it IS something to whine about.And: my knife is evenly important as my stones. A stone and its knife are like bride and groom!
My advice on quality and prices on stones; get a Honyama Quarry Stones while still available. They are the best so far as I know (in my modest opinion)
Just an update to this thread as I know it’s been worrying people for 12 years. But the newer alternative with the fine ceramic is great.
Ooh thanks, think I shall be asking Father Christmas to take a look once she's back from walking the dog.
It’s odd that they’re never reported on or discussed. IMO they’re far better than the DC4.
I only carry the CC4. Unless you are beating the hell out of your knife and wish to aggressively reprofile the bevel while in the woods, there really is no need for a pocket diamond sharpener.
Hey, long time no see!
I feel the urge to try one of these stones, but I find a ceramic fuse works well enough and I still like my old DC4.
Weeeellll.... I use an old Mark Hill blade quite a lot. It's RWL34 and it's a pig to sharpen without diamond. I'm not the kind to spend all day sharpening things, I just want to get stuff done. The diamond side of the DC4 brings it back to life fast, and leaves it with a nice slightly toothy edge. And scratches, but I don't do drawer queens.
Honestly, never heard of the CC4. I just had a google. So its basically a double sided ceramic DC4? One which assumes one never damages ones edge
I’m sure that’s right, as I’d happily live there.You haven't spent enough time in the woods.
But the point remains: sharpening out a ding or similar happens with full-sized waterstones once I’m back from the woods. For the (normally) few days I’m there, stropping regularly does most of the work, and the CC4 otherwise.
This applies to rwl34 in my kit as much as it does O1, but horses for courses!
Fair enough. My point was, having the rougher diamond side is always useful, as its sometimes needed when out. I do feel the smoother ceramic was a little too smooth though. When it comes to water stones, i'm not a fan of the standardly recommended 1000/6000. Great if you've got a polished bevel and want to polish it some more. Not great for standard stone work. I still have one, haven't used it in years. Much prefer a 400/1000. Why waste time? And if anyone says its not fine enough, i'll say f you say so and move on. You think pro knifemakers do bevels above 1000? Most dont go that far.
I suppose it depends, but my set up (as per Uncle Ray) is 800, 1200, 6000. I do usually go up to 6000, as I like that sharpness for carving, etc.
Back to topic, I suppose this in part explains the difference in opinion: if you are looking for quick and functional sharpness on a knife normally sharpened up to 1000, then I can understand the DC4.
didn't know they existed until now... given the fact that i had issues with corrosion on diamond stones in our tropical climate this might work as an alternative to touch up a blade on overnight trips (although i won't be able to get one in the near future)
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