Why bother to save the world when you can recall its fall?

[Tengu]

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2021-12-06/climate-change-earth-black-box-recorder/100621778

Its useless.

They should be recording how to make and use technology for those who may forget how to.

But I dont think civilisation will end; its too engrained these days

 

[Kadushu]

Civilisation, in the sense of an organisation of humans above a tribal level, is quite an expensive business. Do not believe that it's simply a culture or mindset, it is dependent on material wealth.

 

[TeeDee]

Civilisation, in the sense of an organisation of humans above a tribal level, is quite an expensive business. Do not believe that it's simply a culture or mindset, it is dependent on material wealth.

Interesting comment - would you mind expanding on that please.

 

[Paul_B]

Possibly referring to city civilizations and base cost to maintain it. However does civilization have to mean the big cities or ancient and modern times? Is that just looking at civilization through our modern eyes? If you only define civilization by the big, expensive constructions I think you miss a lot of what civilisation is. Why is civilization above a tribal level?

 

[Broch]

Well, because the word civilisation has it's root in the Latin word civitas meaning city

It is historically accepted, and I see no reason to change it, that it refers to large urban communities that use poorer rural populations to provide food and other produce.

The idea that 'civilisation' is spread across a country's population has never, and will never be true; there are always groups that benefit more from civilisation than others.

 

[Erbswurst]

Civilisation is just a bad and unnecessary Roman idea. Totally outdated.

Let's turn back to our own roots!

 

[Erbswurst]

Our own ancestors realised the problem already pretty early by the way.

Arminius - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[TLM]

Civilisation is just a bad and unnecessary Roman idea. Totally outdated.

Let's turn back to our own roots!

I kind of like the sentiment but but but here it just takes an inordinate amount of fire wood to keep oneself warm overnight in the winter.

I think the first known tightly build areas are found in present day Turkey, next ones in the Indus valley? The archaeologists here can correct me.

 

[Erbswurst]

Nonsense!
You just need to keep the animals in the house. Or simply live in a Kota.

Low German house - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

The Anatolian cowards were just too gutless to counter the enemy in the open field with the axe in the hand.
That's why they invented the town wall.

But the Romans created the whole civilisation - bullshit and even did spread out it everywhere.

 

[TLM]

You just need to keep the animals in the house.

That is historically a questionable tactic in hard conditions, the vikings in Greenland did not survive and at one time the Icelanders were hard pressed.

Or simply live in a Kota.

That would be easier and probably successful but I hate to think how far the kota field would extend if all the people in Helsinki would move into kotas. Kota is anyway a temporary structure a peat kammi would be the next more permanent dwelling.

 

[Erbswurst]

Finland would look approximately like a German boy scout camp.
It's nothing wrong with it.

 

[TeeDee]

Finland would look approximately like a German boy scout camp.
It's nothing wrong with it.

Pretty sure the Fin boys and girls would still never let that happen.