Where have all the men gone
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No need for expensive chemicals. I have an axe!
What needs to be addressed is the state of the country. How it will be solved is beyond me, but paying for folk to sit at homre and get wasted on drink and drugs at the taxpayers expense is not the way foreward. Already, due to the hike in fuel costs, people are losing work. Where will they end up? On the Old King Cole, a further burden on the taxpayer. Eventually this house of cards will tumble, and nobody, but nobody, will care one fig about anybody but their nearest and dearest.
I'm not a TEOTWAWKI fanatic, but I can see the future being quite bleak for the evryday man if radical changes are not made soon. China have had a generation of single child parents with the proviso that they get free schooling or college or such like, which is withdrawn if a second child is born. Basically, I don't think that is enough for the UK. Giving handouts to people who have not out anything into the state is ludicrous. It shouldn't be a career to stay on the dole for as long as you can. It is a safety net for those finding themselves temporarily unemployed.
If people are on the dole, then there needs to be more effort into ensuring that they are seeking jobs. I can tell you for a fact that there is little checking going on. I had a discussion earlier in the year during my six weeks on the dole on where my interviewer was born! Not once was I asked if I had applied for any jobs since I had last signed on. Those who have made a career of doleing should be put to work on the streets of UK clearing up dog crap, graffiti, litter and fly tippings. If they don't attend, their benefits cease, no questions asked. If more and more people keep sponging for life, then the whole system will crumble. Who is paying for the spongers' pension when they get to pensionable age? They haven't put a bean in the pot all their lives and yet they continue to get handouts? And we wonder why this country is so screwed up? Take a look about, the kids are the least of our worries at the moment!
BOD
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I see several statements to the effect that a abusive, deprived childhood is no excuse for murder or crime but is it not the case that a troubled background is constantly being used as an excuse for violent crime?
So - I am not alone, an official report agrees with my findings!
PC is mad and bad when taken to extreemes - which is what happens!
No wonder the men are hiding.....
PC is mad and bad when taken to extreemes - which is what happens!
No wonder the men are hiding.....
Was just about to post to the same article. I did find the Home Office viewpoint interesting; "The Home Office said there was no evidence that vetting had deterred volunteers or eroded trust." Maybe it's about time some Home Office officials got out on the volunteering front line
More accurately... a right-wing think-tank agrees with your findings.
Not an "official" report, and written by an organisation with a vested interest in promoting scare stories about the insidious spread of "political correctness gone mad" to further their own particular brand of right-wing, anti-Labour politics.
Worth taking their conclusions with a pinch of salt
WELL worth taking this labour "government"s conclusion with a pinch of salt as well!
Otherwise where does the question in the threads title come from?
Otherwise where does the question in the threads title come from?
More accurately... a right-wing think-tank agrees with your findings.
Not an "official" report, and written by an organisation with a vested interest in promoting scare stories about the insidious spread of "political correctness gone mad" to further their own particular brand of right-wing, anti-Labour politics.
Worth taking their conclusions with a pinch of salt
I was going to add that CIVITAS aren't renowned for impartiality! Just trying to keep things on track.
There lies the problem, I have considered it many times, and every time is comes up that now days if a kid gets ******, all they have to do is tell the cops you fondled them and you are a child molester, they get nothing, you lose your job and can't work anywhere or live withing a mile of a school. That is if you don't go to prison.
I agree, but there is a saying, (too bad it is not true) "one proven defense for shooting someone is that they just needed to be killed."
I have taken the route of selecting individuals that truly need help and appreciate the help given. My wife and I are helping put two children through college, (not our own) in the Philippines, we also bought a fishing boat for a family there, paid for the materials to put a new roof on a a chapel, paid for the material to build a cafeteria for one of the schools. The students we are putting through college have the strict orders that once they graduate and have jobs, that to pay us back, they find a student and pay to put them through college. In the past we have put three other students through college and they are now helping others.
The only charities I give to is the Salvation Army and the disabled vets.
But out of the same "terrible childhood" others become doctors, engineers, and teachers. It is not the environment, that determines the outcome, it is that some look around and think I don't want to do this, I want something better. True sometimes it is a teacher or a mentor that starts them thinking that way, and I believe it should be the teachers job to instill in the students that they have the potential to be great.
Too many look around and say, well I am going to get and get, and what I can't get, I will steal. If I want to get ahead, I will sell drugs.
My wife is a teacher, and when she was teaching thrid grade, she was stressing to the students the importance of learning and getting good grades so they could get good jobs when they got out of school. One of the students said I don't need to go to school, she asked him how he would make a living if he didn't go to school, his reply was that he would just sell drugs like his older brother.
Not much hope for that one.
Hi Guys
This has been an interesting thread some very relevant points have been made and some not so very relevant. I would like to bring it back to the original point by simply summarising this thread and I trust we will all will see the point, which is if you can help no matter how small then why not take the risk and reach out to those who can personally benefit from your experience to help them find their way back to their path:
There are four people in a team.
Their names are Everybody, Somebody, Anybody and Nobody.
There was an important job to be done.
Although Anybody could have done it, Everybody was asked to do it, but eventually Nobody did it.
Somebody got angry about that because the job had been given to Everybody.
Everybody knew that Anybody could do it, but Nobody realised that Everybody wouldnt do it.
It ended up that Everybody blamed Somebody when Nobody did what Anybody could have done.
Best Wishes
Geoffrey
actually statistics quite heavily show environment is the biggest factor. Remember environement includes social not just economic.
Tut tut! Aspergers doesnt stop you from doing anything! Both myself and my partner have AS. I used to also find the idea of working with people highly stressful and scary, for years Ive been usless. Now I work with other adults with autism from low functioning to high, and Ive worked with a number of various disabilities in the past. I can appreciate you might not like the idea, but you can only grow in these areas if you step out of your comfort area and plunge into it. I didnt like people at all, but now I enjoy their company and most people are unaware I have an autistic spectrum disorder. As people with disabilities ourselves, you have a lot to offer in a mentoring service, especially as more and more young men who are going off the rails are discovered to actually have ASD or LD, I found I had a quick and natural empathy for people with ASD, I understand their behaviour much better than many other support workers, and thus I discovered a skill which helped my self esteem.
My partner was one of the first in the UK diagnosed with aspergers in 1989. By which time he had already been expelled from nursery with most schools refusing to take him. He was labelled a problem children, it was only with quality one to one therapy and faith in his ability to grow into a functioning adult that he was able to overcome his problems and go on to university to study learning disability nursing. A year into his course a doctor caught wind of his diagnosis, labelled "asburgers" as a "psychotic mental illness" and promtly struck him from the course labelling him permanently unfit to nurse. Ever. He got a solicitor argued and won the case on grounds of outright descrimination, and was readmitted to another university 2 years later, upon which he has graduated top of the year, scoring the highest ever of 99% on his disertation, won a nursing award and is now working with challenging adults. I might sound like Im rambling abit but my point is my partner could now be in sheltered accomodation somewhere because nobody believed in him and the education system attempted to shunt him into a special school. He now uses his experience to work with highly challenging adults and is in the process of suing his former university, a case which if it comes to court and he wins, will create a bylaw making it illegal for uni's to ever refuse admittance to your children (and presumably mine if I have them) ever again on the grounds of having autism. So you see, just helping one person can make all the difference
Since my son(8) has Aspergers totally behind you/your partner.Hope his legal action is successful!
Very much puts me in mind of
Benjamin Franklin said:
It's the Domino effect in action.
An article in todays 'Independent' may be of interest to people following this thread...
A reference to the lack of role models for young men...
"Kirk's friend John, 17, agrees. "I think the younger generation needs someone to look up to. There's no proper, key role models – it's all about actors," he says. John is against carrying a knife. And it's not because he hasn't experienced being at the wrong end of a blade. When a group tried to rob him for his chain recently, he resisted. "It was my dead nan's, and I wouldn't give it to them, so they stabbed me in the head until I passed out,"
Society and environment...
"Being disenfranchised is pertinent. If there's no reason to look outside the tiny network of streets in which you live, that becomes your identity. In London, violence against strangers who "trespass" is known as "repping" your postcode. "Some people feel this means more to them than anywhere in the world," one boy, his back to the camera, tells Neumann. "They'd rather stand on these pavements that we walk on, that we spit on and **** on, and die on it – because, you know, that is their dream, they want to know this is me, this is where I live." A confined space, containing a jumble of lives, acts as a pressure cooker – it doesn't take much to explode"
Solutions...
"She says that some of the methodologies the Government uses to try to turn teens around are off the mark. "Amnesties, knife concerts, poster campaigns: that's what middle-class people use to communicate ... they're still thinking it's a pure moral choice ... It's more about survival and the response to savagery."
A reference to the lack of role models for young men...
"Kirk's friend John, 17, agrees. "I think the younger generation needs someone to look up to. There's no proper, key role models – it's all about actors," he says. John is against carrying a knife. And it's not because he hasn't experienced being at the wrong end of a blade. When a group tried to rob him for his chain recently, he resisted. "It was my dead nan's, and I wouldn't give it to them, so they stabbed me in the head until I passed out,"
Society and environment...
"Being disenfranchised is pertinent. If there's no reason to look outside the tiny network of streets in which you live, that becomes your identity. In London, violence against strangers who "trespass" is known as "repping" your postcode. "Some people feel this means more to them than anywhere in the world," one boy, his back to the camera, tells Neumann. "They'd rather stand on these pavements that we walk on, that we spit on and **** on, and die on it – because, you know, that is their dream, they want to know this is me, this is where I live." A confined space, containing a jumble of lives, acts as a pressure cooker – it doesn't take much to explode"
Solutions...
"She says that some of the methodologies the Government uses to try to turn teens around are off the mark. "Amnesties, knife concerts, poster campaigns: that's what middle-class people use to communicate ... they're still thinking it's a pure moral choice ... It's more about survival and the response to savagery."
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