What vehicle for bushcraft?

[Doc]

Ah well, I stand corrected!

Probably very capable off road, but it is a very expensive piece of machinery (circa £50K for the top of the range )

 

[bogflogger]

LOL- I think I have a perfect Solution:

Convert your Land rover to run on "facts" and "statistics" then all that it will produce is Hot Air!

Right, I'm off to my local Humvee Dealers, to make up for all these years of cycling and walking.

Gotta reclaim my Carbon defecit after all.

Guess I will also need an Eco friendly "Swanni" (caringly made in China, shipped to New Zealand and then shipped on here, by Eco friendly Diesel Ship).

After all, "Life-style now" is more important than a Breathable Atmosphere tomorrow.

 

[British Red]

Not if you believe Red, they are all used only at the weekends, with 6 passengers, exclusively off road, by people who walk to work in the week, fuel them with rapeseed oil, never fly in planes and ease thier concience by paying someone to plant trees.

Do we believe that?

Martyn,

Whilst I am happy to engage in a vigorous debate, I have never made the statement that 4wds are "all used only at the weekends, with 6 passengers, exclusively off road, by people who walk to work in the week, fuel them with rapeseed oil, never fly in planes and ease thier concience by paying someone to plant trees.".

I am sure that ascribing such a statement to me is a simple error on your part rather than a calculated or deliberate misquotation, but I would be grateful if you would extend me the courtesy of correcting the mistake

Thanks

Red

 

[Martyn]

Martyn,

Whilst I am happy to engage in a vigorous debate, I have never made the statement that 4wds are "all used only at the weekends, with 6 passengers, exclusively off road, by people who walk to work in the week, fuel them with rapeseed oil, never fly in planes and ease thier concience by paying someone to plant trees.".

I am sure that ascribing such a statement to me is a simple error on your part rather than a calculated or deliberate misquotation, but I would be grateful if you would extend me the courtesy of correcting the mistake

Thanks

Red

No, it was a deliberate overstatement Red. To me, most of your points are excuses, some are a bit unrealistic and some are just wrong. I think the reality of it is simply that 95% of the big 4x4's are driven by one person, never taken off road, run on conventional diesel, are not carbon neutral and are driven by people who also fly in planes. I dont hold with the argument that it's OK for you to pollute, because your neighbour pollutes more than you, but each to his own. As Doc said earlier, we all live in a glass house and I certainly aint no eco-angel.

Eco-van, or eco-vandal, your choice my friend.

 

[wingstoo]

....nah, na, na nahhh na..?

LS that's not exactly constructive. You're a landrover owner right?

Yes Martyn I do...3.5 ltrs of grunt under the bonnet...with a top speed of 85 MPH, and running on LPG, no petrol needed except as a back up should the gas run out.

I used to have a 1300 4 speed escort, and did you know that a 1600 5 speed escort actuallyuses less fuel than a 1300.

I Would drive it off road all the time but the pedestrians do for some reason think they "they" own the pavements! fools...

It is 18 years old with the original engine and still going strong, had to change the fuel tank about three years back, and it will need a couple of patches on the chassis for it's next MOT, passes the emisions test every year (since I had it) and used to be used for the Air Cadet unit where I was OC, regularly had 11 passengers in it with a trailer of kit behind...far less polluting than the three cars we would have used to do the same trip, so in that respect as well as the others it is environmentally more friendly...I travel anything up to and including 55 miles each way to work in a company van and my DW drives a 1800 petrol Mitsibushi...



Did you know that it is cheaper to put a bicycle on a train from London to Scotland than it is to put it on the roof rack of a car, because of the extra fuel it would need...All roof racks cause the same phenomina...

We do not have foreign holidays, why should we, the places we looked at were full of foreigners...

I may, in your opinion be "not" environmentally friendly, but as stated, that is "your" opinion...

Anbd we all know what is said about opinions...

So nahnah na na nah to you as well

LS

 

[Martyn]

I may, in your opinion be "not" environmentally friendly, but as stated, that is "your" opinion...

Anbd we all know what is said about opinions...

My sincere apologies for having a different one to you.

 

[wingstoo]

My sincere apologies for having a different one to you.

A MOD who can apologise...Wow...do I need a drink...

LS

 

[Martyn]

A MOD who can apologise...Wow...do I need a drink...

LS

I hope not while you're behind the wheel of that 4x4 minibus?

 

[wingstoo]

I hope not while you're behind the wheel of that 4x4 minibus?

But of course Martyn...Another fact is that 5% of accidents are caused by drink drivers...the other 95% are caused by drivers who are stone cold sober...Much safer to drive whilst drunk, apart from anything else the road is twice as wide...

LS

Ps...For those of you readers who do not understand that this is a JOKE posting, please ignore the above...

 

[mojofilter]

I have a TD Range Rover and can fully justify it 100%

Not that I need to....

 

[swyn]

The scary bit on the lanes round here are the silver BMW and Mercedes 4x4 and also other drivers who come at you in the narrow places with their foot flat on the accelerator. This is not the best place to be on a pushbike! Two wing mirrors later and some bruising I have returned to keeping my LR 110 HCPU at home and driving to work again. Wow the difference in attitude.... people give way!! Sadly this is on the 1/2 mile lane I spent two years peddling to work through, but the attitude of the majority of vehicle drivers at 0745 is just too silly to risk any more.
I do just about 7000 miles a year 22000 now on the clock. Have paid people this year to plant 2500 young trees. 500 last year, the same the year before and have now lost count and am running out of space to do stands! I had to fly to scotland in May to sort out a forestry machine with a firm who do this sort of thing. There are no people in England who can do this sort of work. I had to be there in person. This was my first flight since 1993.
I still regard myself as an eco-vandal But I love my LR, and the children love riding in the back. A small 1.4 would soon be ruined ,although it would be a godsend in town where the LR is really out of place. Swyn

 

[British Red]

I 'll limit this post to three quotes

Martyn,

Whilst I am happy to engage in a vigorous debate, I have never made the statement that 4wds are "all used only at the weekends, with 6 passengers, exclusively off road, by people who walk to work in the week, fuel them with rapeseed oil, never fly in planes and ease thier concience by paying someone to plant trees.".

I am sure that ascribing such a statement to me is a simple error on your part rather than a calculated or deliberate misquotation, but I would be grateful if you would extend me the courtesy of correcting the mistake

Thanks

Red

No, it was a deliberate overstatement Red.<snip>

People also need to refrain from stating things as fact when they are untrue, badly researched, assumption or personal opinion. If you have an opinion, idea or theory you are free to voice it. But do not make it sound like anything other than what it is. If you do state something as fact, make sure it is.

 

[Martyn]

Hmmm, heres another example...

Okay all 4x4 drivers are eco vandals except:

1. Those who live or work in the country and need off road capability
2. Those who offset the CO2 output
3. Those who use biodiesel
4. Those who drive Freelanders
5. Those who drive Range Rover Sports
6. Those who carry lots of equipment and tow trailers
7. Thosewho use the extra seating capacity to mean the g/CO2 per passenger mile is lower
8. Those who don't fly abroad and therefore reduce other equivalent emissions
9. Those who use low footprint transport in the week
10 Those who drive very old vehicles and therefore reduce the manufacturing output CO2

Yes but OTHER than them all 4x4 drivers are eco vandles

So what HAVE the Romans ever done for us?

Red

Get over it Red, you're boring me.

 

[British Red]

Nothing in there using your name Martyn

 

[Martyn]

You are being petty and petulant Red.

Report the post if you want.

 

[British Red]

Martyn,

At no time have I insulted you - please extend me the same courtesy

Do not make comments of a personal nature about anyone. I am not saying that you cannot banter between yourselves as friends. But that is a far cry from making remarks that negatively reflect on other people. Please respect people and the things they do even if you have a different opinion.

 

[Toddy]

Gentlemen, your right to a vigorous debate is one thing but the intent of the thread :-

"I've been driving now for many years, but never my own vehicle - living in Edinburgh means that the need for one is quite low, since everything is in walking distance, and the buses are good for farther away places.

However, every now and then I think that I should consider investing in a vehicle (second-hand, reliable, not new or flashy) that will get me, some people and/or some equipment from A->B with as little effort as possible.

My only real limiting factors are:

Cost to buy - nothing more than say 5-6 grand - its not something I'll be using regularly (once/twice a week at most I expect).

Size - nothing vast or tiny - I don't need a tank or a mini (I'm 6'4" and wanting to park most of the time in a city, and at least drive in and out of it.

Running - I need something that doesn't cost the earth to fix, isn't too picky about not being run every day, and isn't too environmentally horrible to run (yes, I know that really rules out all vehicles )

So - any suggestions? What do other people use? Any general or specific comments about choosing? I'm interested to see what the bushcrafter-about-countryside drives about in (you don't ALL drive 4x4's do you? )"

was a simple request for advice on a suitable vehicle, not to stun us all with the flexible use of statistics
Can we let the landrover debate lie, now?
Pretty please

Actually, this is an old thread anyway......Match have you bought a vehicle yet?

Cheers,
Toddy

 

[Martyn]

Martyn,

At no time have I insulted you - please extend me the same courtesy

There is a difference between insult and observation.
We've already had this discussion via PM two days ago. If you feel you have a grievance, report the post to the administrator if you havent already done so, or let it drop. Either way, there is no excuse to use this thread as a stage for solving your quarrels.

End of conversation.

 

[British Red]

For you and such a polite request Toddy, it would be nothing but a pleasure

Red

 

[chewie]

Not road legal, goes anywhere, spectacular fun.
Military bike, civilian version on way, 120 miles per gallon of biodiesel.
Quirky, harder to fall off, bit old-fashioned, 2WD.
Road legal quad bike. [lots about now]
Weird but very eco-friendly.
Every-day options [1] [2] [3] etc...