What IS the best bushcraft Jacket?

Mikey P

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This is very much like the 'What is the best knife for bushcraft?' question. Everyone has their own favourite and I guess there isn't a single right answer for all conditions and all terrains.

I quite like the idea of putting together my own jacket (there have been some excellent threads going on home-made kit) and trying to add all of my favourite features. I'll let yu know how I get on with my poor sewing skills! Unfortunately, it's always a compromise as - in my opinion - I don't think you can have a jacket that works just as well and keeps you comfortable in wet summer conditions as in dry cold winter conditions, that resists abrasion and ripping, and can carry all the stuff you want to.

Maybe we should split the thread into best options for winter and summer?
 

RovingArcher

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:-D Hi all, new to your site and enjoying what I've been reading so far. Kind of lost on some of your words for different things, but I'll learn.

For those that find their waterproof jacket letting some wetness in, try campdry, if available. It washes out after a couple of times in the washer and from all I've experienced, as well as read and heard from others that use it, it doesn't affect the fabric and does a good job of stopping the wet from getting through. However, I've only used it on my US issue M65 and German issue moleskin cargo pants, for other materials you may want to test it in a non conspicuous spot.
 

Doc

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I live in mountainous bit of Scotland and it rains a lot, so this may colour my opinion, but I'm not sure if either ventile or the field coat would be ideal in driving rain with a cold wind. After all, these are the conditions that cause fatalities from exposure.

Almost all hillwalkers and mountaineers use gore tex or similar breathable waterproof shell jackets. They have a proper visored hood. In bad conditions, they are very very good. I prefer the single layer of laminated gore tex (?Taslan) to the drop liner type.

However, they rustle, they burn/melt, they are not brilliantly abrasion-resistant and it's difficult to get them in non-conspicuous colours. Also they are essentially unrepairable.

Barbours new breathable jackets are made of olive cordura with a drop liner and detachable hood. It is a good comfortable design with lots of pockets but still heavy and bulky compared to a mountain jacket. It is very low rustle.

I don't think the ideal jacket exists, but I'd like something like:

Olive cordura with goretex membrane
Treated to be flame resistant
Proper mountain hood, which folds into collar for when wearing a hat.
Mountain design with map pocket, double zip, storm flap, adjustable cuffs, etc.

Some places like
http://www.slioch.co.uk/index.html
do some custom stuff. But expensive!
 

MartiniDave

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If anyone is considering a Barbour or simular waxed jacket it is worth remembering that they come in different weights. The Border I use is relatively light weight, others such as the Solway are very much heavier.

Dave
 

Viking

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If I was going for a Gore Tex jacket I would go for something like this. It is reinforced with cordura on shoulders and shoulders. This is the same model that is being used by swedish special forces officers. These clothes are not made for the outdoors person but for people that work in the forest. But still it´s Gore Tex and don´t work so good around a fire.

I also have some pics of the army version, if anyone is interested.

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And the trousers

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familne

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Has anyone tried the Swanndri Xtreme Range - just wondering how good the hydrotex lining is at keeping out the elements?
 
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yowee

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As a national park ranger our wet weather issue gear is ventile which is as tough as nails, but not so easy to work in when it's really raining, but it is quiet for observing wildlife, I do a bit of wildlife photography and the jacket I use is from Karrimor special forces range, it has a really quite outer layer that is supposed to be much tougher than ripstop, and seems to be mainly cotton, (so fairly good round fires) the inner is porvair drop liner (a bit like gortex) the waterproof properties are excellent as last years woodsmoke nomad course prooved, very comfortable and very well thought out pockets 7 in all, they said when I bought it that after 3 or 4 years the waterproofing around were your rifle strap was might wear, but as I don't use a rifle its not a big problem. Having said all that it still wouldn't be ideal for around a fire so I just take it off and this seems to work fine, has anyone tried the new swanni extreme range as this could be the answer if they were to add a few pockets? :-?
 

Gary

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Fraser, the Hydrotex lining is very good and makes for an excellent addition to the range. Easily as good as all the other breathable layers on the market - as a test I used my ranger shirt as a bucket, filled it with water and hung it up over night in the garden. Next day no leakage.

But two points here - swanni's would be too warm for year round use, even the ranger, and they are limited on pcckets when thinking of a all rounds bombproof multidiscipline jacket..
 
I would go for a ventile, not because I'm blindly following anyone, I've been using the fabric for about the same length of time as the said gentleman. In its modern carnation it was plugged by Survival Aids (when Freddy Markham was still at the helm) which is where I and no doubt Mr Mears first encountered it.
The Double Jackets are slow to dry, granted, but the single layer dry fairly quickly, even compared to some synthetic shells.
They are not completely waterproof (but are very breathable), and if you choose the right garments underneath you create a similar system to the Buffalo gear ( but fire resistant) ie - wind can't get in to chill the moisture in your clothing.
Ventile is robust, leaves Goretex way behind on this one, and if it tears, you just stitch it up, the same goes if you want to alter it.
I can use the ventile year-round, in summer worn as a shirt with nothing underneath, in winter it protects my insulating layers.
Longevity, ventiles become old friends, we live in a "throw-away" society, most modern fabrics have a "shelf-life", we are all conned into having the latest (it what makes big business). So what happens to the "cast-offs"? they are either buried or burnt and thats crap for the planet and future generations.
I have just made a new ventile, my old one has a new owner and I know it will still give years of good service, its twelve years old now, cost £149 then, now Goretex has a working life of three years, so if your shiny new goretex cost you £100, you still will have got thru 4 in the last twelve years (and you don't see many good waterproofs for £100) you do the maths! which fabric is expensive?
Swanni's are good (also marketed by Survival Aids in the UK first), but a tad too warm for year round outer-wear.
I think ventile is a good fabric investment for long-term bushcraft use, it won't suit everyone (a bit like Buffalo gear), its probably not perfect, but I,ve had thirty years doing outdoor stuff to think about it (no snap decisions here!) and its my choice.
Neil1

Hi,I was just reading about Ventile for an outdoor Jacket and cameacross this thread. I have used Ventile for a number of years, infact my oldest jacket is around thirty plus years old. Sadlynotin use any more. Mymain outdoor jacketsare,Paramo, nine years and no real issues. Ialsousewww.swazi.co.nz/ this stuff doseworksvery well.


Thatsaid, there are a few problems. Fieldwork, fire resistancedamp crawling in forest. Plus,silence. That'swhy I am looking for a new VentileJacket. I feel the longevity, wear ability of the fabric outlivesanything else. There is a final point, cotton is sustainable. Man made fabric isnot. Take a close look at. LiathachCotton Analogy Extreme Smock. Bywww.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_copy_of_Ventile.
 

mick91

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Barbour gamefare for light rain and Barbour stockman for real weather. I do love a waxy!
 

Laurentius

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If there were such a thing, then we would all be dressed identically.

For me it has to be made from best Australian badger pelts, lined with naugahide and skivertex with rare Nubian yellow squirrell tail trimmings. But then since everybody has one of those I wear mine inside out :)
 
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rik_uk3

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Eleven year old thread bought back from the dead, has to be a record lol.

Personally I think Ventile is highly overrated and prefer Goretex.
 
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Nov 29, 2004
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This possibly is a record for threadomancy, but I enjoyed reading through it again and will let it stand for now.

I have an old unlined Barbour Durham (the one with the built in hood) and use that for sitting around campfires and bimbling around the woods.

:)
 

Dave

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If you can get hold of the swedish M42 woolen jacket, in the right size, it makes a brilliant mackinaw field cruiser substitute, very cheaply.

I added two packets of dyson olive green hand dye, to the jacket, and agitated it for an hour, it darkened it a bit so its not as light as the trousers
 
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