What have you done for the Environment Today?

punkrockcaveman

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I'm not sure how much this is an environmental plus but I have bought a briquette press to turn our waste shredded paper from work into fire bricks. I guess it's reducing demand for trees and reducing waste? Kinda creating co2 burning it though. They do dry out quick and they burn well so they seem to be a relatively clean fuel source?
 

Woody girl

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Walked into the town and
Refilled my household cleaning product bottles with ecco washing up liquid, kitchen and bathroom cleaner, and loo cleaner.

Refilled my glass milk bottle with milk.

Bought veg from the veg shop instead of the plastic packaged supermarket stuff. Used my own home made cotton bags.

Picked up some sewing things and 2 metres of canvas, and a wooden curtain rail to make a hanging chair, (just need the rope now) from the charity shop.

Picked up some sticks on the way home for kindling for the fire, and foraged a few garlic leaves for a lunchtime frttata with fresh laid eggs from my friends chickens which I swopped some home made chutney for.
 
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Paul_B

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Is it more environmentally sound to get a supermarket delivery or to drive into town to actually do the shop in person. If the former then that's what I've done for the environment.

I suspect that the van is delivering a fuel efficient route in the area anyway so an extra stop here as it passes isn't adding much to it's polluting effect on the planet. However, one person making a spec trip to buy the food in person isn't as efficient. Just guessing, don't know.

It's not easy for busy, working fabulous to buy local from a specialist greengrocers, butchers, bakers, etc when you're on a budget and time poor. Unfortunately you can't always get time to buy loose apples from one shop, then meat from another, then bread from another and so on. Not least because the drive there is longer than the drive to the supermarket anyway. Better to buy and get delivered which means plastic. I don't know what's best.
 

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I suspect you are right; it's certainly very convenient since our nearest supermarket is twelve miles away. However, I have been told that the supermarkets are losing money doing it especially in rural areas such as ours (I would need to investigate the figures to be sure) and, consequently, I suspect we may be charged for the service in the not to distant future.

For the environment - today, I didn't go anywhere (again) :)
 

Paul_B

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I think there is a charge from Tesco but not Asda. I thought most charged something.

My serious thing today is what I do every work day and that is train and bike to and from work. It's what I have done pretty much straight after moving into our new house further away. Moving to where we now live means we mostly don't leave the village apart from me during the week to work. I can't work from home but my partner does. Our son walks or cycles to school. At the weekend we might leave the village once. Our van and car simply gets very little use these days. We put half a tank in then it lasts more than a month compared to barely a week before.

Why do we not go anywhere? Well it's a nice village, we have a nice, decent sized garden, the house is nicer, there's varied terrain we can walk from our house without driving anywhere and we're less than 5 minutes walk from a station to the city I work in with a 21 minutes train journey along a popular route that links South Cumbria with Manchester and Manchester airport. People live in Grange or ulverston but work in Lancaster, Preston and Manchester. There's a good scene for activities too. We're members of the sailing club. Our kid joins in with sporting clubs after school. When indoor entertainment can start again the sailing club house puts on music nights, I think there's a bar there too like cricket clubs have. Pubs, clubs of the activity type and a few shops too. It's a good life.
 

Paul_B

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One thing I do most days if I can help myself. That is I don't buy anything. Less we consume then the less we impact the planet. It's why I rarely get to post on the "what you've just bought" thread. I still read it though. Guess I buy vicariously through others!!!
 

Kadushu

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Does the "population adjustment" (= attempted eradication) of Spanish bluebells count?
 

Scottieoutdoors

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Today and also typically if I'm ever walking the dog on the beach I use a poop bag (bio-degradable poop bag I might add - for extra points) and I pick up as much plastic/litter as I can find.

Also, not today, but when kayaking I normally end up coming back with a load of rubbish onboard - bags in the water, plastic bottles, netting etc.

I must admit since lurgy times have occurred I've been a lot less keen to pick up litter on the land. I suppose I could take some gloves, but I can't help thinking those who throw around litter are probably those with poor hygiene and all...
 
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Paul_B

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Dog poop bags, how biodegradable? Iirc there was a report a year or so ago, when plastic waste in the sea hit the news heavily, that reviewed biodegradable plastic technology used in these bags. They tested them in air, earth, sea and freshwater. Samples of each tech were made into the supermarket non-reusable bag tech and then each type left in those four conditions for a year.

Only one failed to remain intact and that one despite showing signs of breaking up was still able to carry most of a representative shopping load. Conclusion made was that the biodegradable plastics tested would remain in the environment for a long time. Enough to cause harm.

So I wonder if a simple stick and flick away from where people commonly walk is better than a plastic bag that doesn't degrade like they claim?

One solution someone we know came up with was to take the poop home and empty the bag out to reuse. They got 3 or 4 uses of the biodegradable bags before they had to be thrown.
 

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So I wonder if a simple stick and flick away from where people commonly walk is better than a plastic bag that doesn't degrade like they claim?

One solution someone we know came up with was to take the poop home and empty the bag out to reuse. They got 3 or 4 uses of the biodegradable bags before they had to be thrown.

Bit unsure if i'm reading you correctly but Used Dog Poop bags should ALWAYS be disposed of. Either at the Red dog excrement bins or taken home - never to be left in the countryside.
 

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So I wonder if a simple stick and flick away from where people commonly walk is better than a plastic bag that doesn't degrade like they claim?

In some heavily used areas the waste itself is an environmental pollutant. The amount of dog mess in some areas completely changes the soil ecosystem. On top of that, there are no places close to paths that kids won't go!
 

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Dog poop bags, how biodegradable? Iirc there was a report a year or so ago, when plastic waste in the sea hit the news heavily, that reviewed biodegradable plastic technology used in these bags. They tested them in air, earth, sea and freshwater. Samples of each tech were made into the supermarket non-reusable bag tech and then each type left in those four conditions for a year.

First and foremost, not sure if anyone thought it, but I definitely don't toss a used bag into the undergrowth... I'll find a bin, or hang it off the wiper until I get home!!

Secondly...Well... I've never fully tested them, so I can only go by what they say and that is that they're "100% compostable" - 'The green poop bag' or something like that I believe.

Unfortunately I currently live in the city so flicking poop is not an option, the parks are frequented by picnickers and children and other dogs and even if I didn't think about them, there would no doubt be a warden or some yellow jacket come to ruin my day.

Out in the sticks, I must admit, I'm not always as attentive to the hound, so her pooping matters don't always get dealt with. Obviously if were walking a pathway/woodland walk then I would typically pick it up due to the above mentioned points.
 

Paul_B

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Bit unsure if i'm reading you correctly but Used Dog Poop bags should ALWAYS be disposed of. Either at the Red dog excrement bins or taken home - never to be left in the countryside.
No the poo without bag because the bag is plastic. Only in the wild not pavement. Any plastic including biodegradable ones stick around in the environment for a very long time. Despite dog poo being disgusting and potentially harmful it's still going to degrade decades before plastic will. Get it out of the way it'll do less harm than plastics.
 

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Get it out of the way it'll do less harm than plastics.
It will do less harm to whom? No, if you're on a public right of way, town, park, or in the country, bag it up and bin it or take it home and bin it. I am tired of walking on country paths and seeing dog mess left around just because the owners think it's OK to leave it in the 'country'.

Canal tow paths are a good example - I fear getting out of the canoe a lot of the time; it's often impossible to find a grass bank that's clean. I've also seen dog owners 'flick' it into the water :(
 
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Paul_B

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Any plastic is not 100% degradable quick enough. Research I've read about surprised researchers because not one commercially available, biodegradable plastic broke down in a year of accelerated exposure to conditions you'd expect to degrade it if it b really was as advertised. All samples of biodegradable plastic bags were strong enough to carry a bag full of shopping.

It was mentioned that poop changes the soil ecosystem. Well a biodegradable bag that's not significantly better than non biodegradable ones will change the soil and water surely worse than dog poop.

In case anyone is still confused about what I'm saying. I do n not say bag it then throw that away. Jeez that's the worst possible option. You have the poop problem and the plastic problem. I am not talking about high use public areas being left with poop left without picking it up. I'm not talking urban, parks, towpaths or similar. I'm talking about in the countryside where the chances of actually walking in the poop is next to none. Afterall you're not going to walk through undergrowth of brambles, bracken up to your armpits, etc. Although the bracken once after I have been coming down from the fells after being locationally misplaced. ;)

The point being biodegradable bags are still plastic. They're often starchy plant based then that is basically converted by chemical processes into polymer chains that are virtually similar to petroleum based polymer chains. They do have a slight difference in structure I'm believe which allows for faster degradation. It is not the answer just a partial option to assuage plastic guilt. It's a marketing success. I wish I knew where I read about that report. I seem to remember it was carried out on behalf of an environmental department of an international body like European commission or the UN in seem to recall. Or perhaps American EPA or other national equivalent. I've spent a long time researching it at work. We had a product forced on us as an alternative to conventional plastics that isn't quite as advertised. BTW that product is no longer supplied we now use a glass based mesh carrier that remains in place instead of a starch derived, plastic based mesh carrier. A better option was developed. Just like we should do with plastic products of all kinds when we can.

I remember years ago the insulation sector was moving away from refractory ceramic fibres due to IARC classifications that had RCFs as probable carcinogen, one level below asbestos. The ceramic fibre producers tweaked the composition to create ceramic fibres that were biosoluble. However what is happening is the fibres are basically dissolving in body fluids within a certain timescale. What happens then? You wee it out which means it's basically gone through your kidneys on its journey. Needless to say it's not used as often as the original RCFs used to be. In fact we use it so infrequently that it's not was easy to get hold of.

I think biodegradable plastic is still plastic but they're getting away with it by saying it goes into the environment and will break down eventually. The key word is eventually. What harm before it degrades?

My point is this seems like a temporary, stop gap solution when we should be simply cutting it out. We no longer use asbestos except for a very few uses. I think we should do that with all plastics.
 

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