TRACKS: Who dunnit?

Feb 15, 2011
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Dog or Cat, I do get your point. I have taken over 80 pictures and went back today, but we have had a lot of rain. I saw a dark animal, out of the corner of my eye and turned to see the characteristic tail. That is my bike tyre tread so the timescales are similar. The photo is reduced in size because it is impossible to upload them to my server in the size that the camera generates.

There were no other tack, and this wasn't on footpath. But it is possible that what I saw left no track and a dog with or without a person passed. I didnt see the footfall, so no I am not 100% certain.

Why big cats have never attacked anyone yet I do not know. In Sri Lanka where Leopards are common and whose favourite attack is to drop on prey from a branch rarely attack humans.

There was a swan killed not far from here and the kill was characteristic of a cat killl. The carcase was stripped clean. and the feathers were very neat. I will post the pictures in a few days.

Interesting post,, good point about leopards not attacking people ( let's avoid claiming never) in Sri Lanka.......there, they are wild animals in their natural enviroment & are more likely to flee humans....but the pussies in the UK, have been or may have been or possibly have been or there's a good chance they have been or have found themselves, through no fault of their own, " released" into the rolling hills..( I don't include escapee's as I believe the number of sightings far exceeds the quantity of animals that do a runner & I suspect many 'escape' with the complicity of their jailers, which for me, is a release......ok for arguments sake let's count them in.)........as such, these ex- captives, have been "imprinted" by man . In simply terms this means they have become accustomed to us, we have become part of their world, they fear us less, they know us more......these 'imprinted' animals would be more willing to approach a person or human habitation & if feeling threatened, react in a different manner to a wild animal.........to all those out there who like to split hairs, I do not mean or wish to say that a wild animal will never attack or that an 'imprinted' one always will......................................................................................

The swan kill is interesting too, we can learn a few things from it The neatly placed feathers does suggest a wild feline, who pluck their birds, calmly & methodically.( dogs too could pluck, if they weren't in a hurry, but the feathers would be everywhere, also the corpse would, in all probability/but not nescassarily so,be torn apart. Presumably it was found near a body of water but how far from the water's edge ?.....A cat would more likley/probably/in the normal train of events, drag the prey a certain distance( there may be signs) & even hide it, where as a dog will/usually but not always/ commonly/ habitually consume it, there where it was killed, give or take a few feet............for the pedantic amoung you I do not wish to say/mean that it's ALWAYS this way, Im sure someone out there, has an uncle who's pet cougar never drags prey & grandad's irish terrier always carried his dinner off......................... the cat may/ possibly have done/a good chance he did/ cleaned the bones but a good many critters invite themselves to the banquet................................thanks again, look foreward to your updates.
 
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BOD

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I was reffering to having a good search. I wrestle with mambas and puff adders daily (well.... weekly... ish). Puddy-tats don't scare me.

I have been biting my tongue in case I draw flak for suggesting a “big cat” in Britain. Though this is a “small cat” strictly speaking.

Recently, I finished an article on an exotic (for you) cat that may leave that type of sign. The Fishing Cat. Its claws partially retract, it is the size of a small dog and would have no difficulty dispatching a full size swan – one of its hunting methods being to swim under waterbirds and attack from below.

Unfortunately, they are in the exotic pet trade so one may have been released. A breeding pair might be able to survive a northern winter as their range includes the Himalayan foothills to equatorial rainforest.

I would not try to catch or corner it though. Their prey includes muntjac, dogs and small wild pig. A captive one killed a panther which shared its enclosure.
 

JonathanD

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I have been biting my tongue in case I draw flak for suggesting a “big cat” in Britain. Though this is a “small cat” strictly speaking.

Recently, I finished an article on an exotic (for you) cat that may leave that type of sign. The Fishing Cat. Its claws partially retract, it is the size of a small dog and would have no difficulty dispatching a full size swan – one of its hunting methods being to swim under waterbirds and attack from below.

Unfortunately, they are in the exotic pet trade so one may have been released. A breeding pair might be able to survive a northern winter as their range includes the Himalayan foothills to equatorial rainforest.

I would not try to catch or corner it though. Their prey includes muntjac, dogs and small wild pig. A captive one killed a panther which shared its enclosure.

You have no idea how close I came to not posting it as I really didn't want the flak that I thought would ensue. I tried to get the clearest pictures with detail and supply enough facts as possible about the track and area.

The Fishing Cat sounds like an interesting beast. I'll have to investigate that species further. Cheers BOD.
 

Bushwhacker

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Jun 26, 2008
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Kind of wandering off from the OP but this is something which happened on Sunday that is big cat related.

We went out for a roast dinner at a pub near Powerstock, the mrs was driving so that I could look at the countryside whilst going through the lanes.
All of a sudden I saw something on the opposite valley and got her to stop the car. I could see a large black animal walking up alongside the hedge and disappearing into it.
I had my small pair of binoculars in my pocket and tried to get a better look by climbing up a bank. The next thing I saw was a female fallow deer bolt across the field from the same hedgeline.
Now, this area has had a number of reports of a 'big cat' in recent years, although I tried to keep this at the back of my mind.

My binoculars don't have a very wide field of view so I was furtively scanning up and down the hedgeline.
Next thing, the creature emerged - a big black dog. No owner to be seen, I hung around to check as best I could but it seemed to be on its own.
Without the bins all I saw was a large black animal that bolted a deer out of the hedge. By hanging around and observing with bins I was able to determine what it was.
I wonder how many other people had seen the same thing at another time and this is what has gone down as a reported sighting?
I've got no qualms in saying that I think they're out there, but this incident certainly highlights how fickle some of these reports might be.

I'm just wondering whether to log the sighting or not.
 

JonathanD

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There is no doubt that a huge amount of sightings are just like this. However knowledgable about animals you are, you will always see a glimpse of something that you incorrectly identify as something else. It's the way our brains work to assimilate the brief information available into something solid.
 
Feb 15, 2011
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I have been biting my tongue in case I draw flak for suggesting a “big cat” in Britain. Though this is a “small cat” strictly speaking.

Recently, I finished an article on an exotic (for you) cat that may leave that type of sign. The Fishing Cat. Its claws partially retract, it is the size of a small dog and would have no difficulty dispatching a full size swan – one of its hunting methods being to swim under waterbirds and attack from below.

Unfortunately, they are in the exotic pet trade so one may have been released. A breeding pair might be able to survive a northern winter as their range includes the Himalayan foothills to equatorial rainforest.

I would not try to catch or corner it though. Their prey includes muntjac, dogs and small wild pig. A captive one killed a panther which shared its enclosure.

Don't worry about flak, only those that don't say anything never get it....everyone's point of view is valid & it's only by suggesting things, can we advance...besides, I'm here to put you all on the right track if need be...Haha only kidding.......
let's discuss your post..........yes you're upsolutely right us calling this thing a 'big cat'....I tend to call anything bigger than a tabby a 'big cat' & I'm wrong...............
Yes when one evokes big cats & Great Britain it does sound a little far fetched, yet there have been numerous stories & reports( sensational press ? )a few sightings ( too vague & uncoherant for me to believe) tracks & livestock carcasses apparently killed by big cats.....................From what I can gather, they are sort of black pantherish with a zest of puma, or vice versa depending where in the country.they were seen..........
The fishing cat,.interesting choice..( here I presume we are refering to the swan kill)......fishing cats are very rare in the UK & I imagine valuable.......certainly they have specialised in hunting around & even in water but a swan is a tough adversary for a captive born & bred midleweight .......Swans will /do float around the water edges, come ashore to feed & will approach & challenge a predator, so there will be ample opportunaties for a waterphobe species to pounce..........Given the rareity of the fishing cat & its potential value, I think ( only my opinion) that, the chances are ( probability speaking ) that the culprit was a more easily obtained, thus, "disposable" species........
Yep, exotic animals can & do adapt, live & even thrive in a climate that is not their own.............no worries
 

leon-1

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Can I take it that you have ruled out strays as there are domesticated cats which get sizeable, like the Maine coon or a Norwegian forest cat like the one pictured below.

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Of course their size and colouring does vary massively.

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They are very accomplished hunters, don't care about the weather, water, dogs or people. They are stealthy as hell and ruthlessly efficient.
 

BushrangerCZ

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Guys, if you put dead fish (not smoked) in front of the trail cam somewhere near the place where that predator lives, there is no power in the world which would stop that creature to go and have a sniff around. Best is to nail it on the tree so the first fox is not gonna grab it and run away.
 

Rumi

Forager
I stand corrected, I went back with a very experienced mate who examined the picture, wee did find further tracks and they did look different. My camera however was dropped by my son and is doing strange things, so no pictures sadly.
 

Laughoutlouder

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Jun 21, 2009
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Can I take it that you have ruled out strays as there are domesticated cats which get sizeable, like the Maine coon or a Norwegian forest cat like the one pictured below.

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Of course their size and colouring does vary massively.

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They are very accomplished hunters, don't care about the weather, water, dogs or people. They are stealthy as hell and ruthlessly efficient.

My god that woman must be tiny!
 
Mar 15, 2011
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30 odd years ago i found a track in one of my local woods,looked a dit like a dog that had skidded to a stop.Same place sum days later out of the corner of my eye i spotted a movement and i turned only to get the very briefest glimpse of a shape moving off the track in to the tree line.I did not recognize what it was no head legs or tale ,just a brown furry mass for maybe less than a second.In my field guide the only track that looked similar was a wallaby.Recently (last year)i went to visit my frend and his bro they live near bye and we normally go for a walk round the forest and along the same track .When i told him the story and showed him a picture of the track he replied (The man across the road used to keep wallabies)30 years track ID confirmed.
We also have a large feline in the area locally called the Kellas cat.
Try wetting and smoothing off the path for a better track.
Stick at it bro i would have to know one way or another you never know whats lurking just out of sight but all things leave sign.
Good luck and prove the skeptics wrong THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE.
Looking forward to your next post.
 
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Mar 15, 2011
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Possibly domestic dog note elongated interdigital pad prodably just slipping on soft mud or stretching lifting front of foot and claws off the ground (see photo)looks like a cat track but note the two claws present compressed into digitals.2nd photo with Badger track only for scale. But i still hope you got a big cat Bro.
 

horsevad

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Oct 22, 2009
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Having first seen this exciting thread now, I would just like to add that the tracks and description of movement is quite comparable to the tracks of lynx lynx which I have seen in Northern Sweden. I don't know whether you are supposed to have lynx lynx in UK, but sometimes nature has some strange ways...

A couple of years back, there was a moose killed by a train here in Denmark. By all official standards we should not have had moose in this contry for several thousand years. Apparently the moose did not know that it wasn't supposed to be here... Presumably it had svum here from Sweden...

//Kim Horsevad
 

horsevad

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Oct 22, 2009
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Having first seen this exciting thread now, I would just like to add that the tracks and description of movement is quite comparable to the tracks of lynx lynx which I have seen in Northern Sweden. I don't know whether you are supposed to have lynx lynx in UK, but sometimes nature has some strange ways...

A couple of years back, there was a moose killed by a train here in Denmark. By all official standards we should not have had moose in this contry for several thousand years. Apparently the moose did not know that it wasn't supposed to be here... Presumably it had svum here from Sweden...

//Kim Horsevad
 

wizard

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I'd be guessing a Bobcat. We have all sorts of large cats in Arizona including Jaguars down south and loads of Cougar or Mountain Lion as they are often called. The Cougar and Jaguar both have a largerprint nearer to 4 inches. Maybe it's that black Panther I have heard runs about in the UK...almost certainly a feline though.
 

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