Sometimes less is more....

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I used to carry a bow drill and heathboard along with me to parties but grew weary of the strange looks I received. That and the fact the hosts smoke alarm kept going off.... :rolleyes:

Seriously, the fire making instructional tape I am now offering covers this exact thing. Glen Managhan makes a nice fat pile of dust with his bow and blows it into flame without making a fiber nest. I have done something similar with punk. Ignite three ot four pieces and place them such that their coals are in close proximity to one another. If there happens to be a breeze blowing the little pile will ignite with no blowing required.
 

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Now where'd I put that mullein stalk and the polypores...

8-16 seconds!?!? That's amazing!

I'd use up all of 30 seconds spinning willow into maple. With a hand drill!!

(Of course, I'd rather take a few whacks of steel against flint; learned how to do it during a welder's course, where lighters in pockets were no-go).

Must learn hand drill... Must learn hand drill...
 

rich59

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I have an idea for a hybrid hearthboard - part wood and part fungus. I wonder if you could attach a sliver of fungus to the side of the V notch so that the hot dust moves across it before collecting in the notch. That way the best heat from the friction of wood on wood might transfer quickly to the fungus and so might cut the drilling time.

Could this get a 12, 8 or even 4 second ignition I wonder?

I suppose this is getting away from "less is more" though.
 

rich59

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11.5 seconds! But I will come back to that.

I have been testing out some new drills.

Firstly teasel
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This grows on a wild piece of ground that I have access to and I have cut a few stems and kept them in a shed there and occasionally try them out on the hearthboards I have there - elder and sycamore. Never had any joy. So I took some home a few weeks ago and stored them in the warm and then tried them out today on pine hearthboard. Firstly I tried it out gently with my usual ambling pace. The sign of a drill that will work is that once you get it up to smoking heat then it is really easy to keep it smoking before you put lots of energy in for a final burst of pressure and speed. Anyway it worked really well and I soon had a coal. More than that I got a real load of smoke from it like I have got from another favourite of mine - rose (more of that in a minute too).

Then I had a go at speed drilling. First I tried 4 passes and got a very good coal nicely at 16 to 18 seconds. So, the challenge of 3 passes. (I do cool it off between attempts so previous heat should not be a significant factor). First attempt - success in 13 seconds. Then a couple of failures before making a new depression.

This time I got a live coal in 11.5 seconds! My timing method remember is to look at the digital stopwatch facility on my watch that is laying next to me, wait till ~~.00. or ~~.30 seconds appears and then lean back to the drill and start drilling. I then drill the 3 or 4 passes before unbending and looking at the timer again. So more precise timing may have got it at 10.5 or 11 seconds, who knows.

On some attempts I partly filled the notch with previously made punk. On these occasions I did not succeeed. I only succeeded with a completely empty notch. I suspect that the sudden filling of the notch with hot punk allowed an updraft of air to fan the punk and allow it to catch quickly.

Attempts with two passes are not successful to date. A drier day in the summer might help?

Rose

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A different story here. I have previously used some lovely straight lengths from a rambling rose in my garden and found excellent hand drill properties. This time I had harvested some nice straight lengths from some genuine wild English Roses growing on the rough ground previously mentioned. They turned out to be quite different. Firstly the wood was amazingly hard and difficult to cut. Once stripped and dried the first drill (about 1.2cm diam) would only produce smoke with significant effort and a coarse punk that even a match had a little difficulty lighting.

I tried again with a thicker stem. About 1.7cm this time. The punk was better but it remained hard to get smoke and I completely failed to get a coal.

I will dry it out some more and try again but I suspect I have found that different varieties of rose are not equal in their hand drilling properties.
 

rich59

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Jeff Wagner said:
Funny you should mention the hybrid concept. I have been toying with the idea of replacing the mullein stalk pith with a packing of tinder fungus. Perhaps over the weekend I can give this notion a test run...err...spin...
I tried a hybrid of razor strop (piptoporus betulinus) and pine. This was no improvement over an ordinary wood only hearthboard.

I tried drilling direct into the fungus again (I had tried this some time ago). It just cuts a hole!
 

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