Ray mears or ed stafford?
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Bruce Parry does talks, lectures and campaigns for indigenous peoples and cultures. He made a film in 2018 ‘Tawai - A voice from the forest.
Yeah but the cheese thread considered some of the real and important issues facing mankind today.
Surely that's a question to be asked of these tv peeps?
So, Ray, after you'd been given the all clear in hospital after the helicopter crash. What cheese did you most hanker after. With damper of choice?
Tell me Ed, after you reached the mouth of the Amazon, having walked it's entire length. I bet you just wanted a big lump of mature cheddar and a cold cider eh? Which would those be please?
Mr Grylls, I understand you're partial to a fine claret? Would you care to tell us your favourite cheese pairing for a 1986 St Emilion?
I'm a big fan of Bruce Parry.
For me he's most comparable to RM in his respect for indigenous people.
Yes I know I'm going off on a tangent, a bit.
You only have to watch RM staying with the Hadza to begin to understand his love and respect for them, their culture and their generations of handed-down skills and knowledge.
Bruce Parry doesn't claim to have any "survival skills". But I bet he knows a thing or two. He's not a massive show off. He's more curious about humanity. He's spent years around the world with indigenous peoples.
I think, all these people discussed, have their place on a screen for different and very subjective reasons. They all have their own motivations for being there in the first place too.
Few of us will have the privilege of staying with indigenous people.
There's an ethical debate, for me, about white men with cameras visiting them (which could occupy another thread entirely), But done correctly it raises awareness rather than exploits.
Which is a tricky line to walk.
For me, I think we need education as well as entertainment.
But as I say. It's very subjective. One thing this forum is never short of is opinions. How boring would life be if it wasn't?
Brizzlebush:
Your comment about white men with cameras reminds of the guy from Mali who turns to camera and says," We're just a normal Malian household. Husband, two wives, four kids and an anthopologist."
As to the debate, I agree that Bruce Parry and Ray Mears are both commendable for the respect they show towards the people they visit. A common factor of both is an understanding that learning is a two way process, just as respect is. Both also have a respect for the natural world, which I find lacking in Grylls and Stafford who seem to espouse and outdated view that Nature is a force to be overcome.
Strange that there is no mention of Paul Kirtley. He seems to me to embody all the virtues and is the one I'd like to share time in the wilderness with.
Your comment about white men with cameras reminds of the guy from Mali who turns to camera and says," We're just a normal Malian household. Husband, two wives, four kids and an anthopologist."
As to the debate, I agree that Bruce Parry and Ray Mears are both commendable for the respect they show towards the people they visit. A common factor of both is an understanding that learning is a two way process, just as respect is. Both also have a respect for the natural world, which I find lacking in Grylls and Stafford who seem to espouse and outdated view that Nature is a force to be overcome.
Strange that there is no mention of Paul Kirtley. He seems to me to embody all the virtues and is the one I'd like to share time in the wilderness with.
Just a thought - maybe that perception is due to the show type?
Both Bear and Stafford have a show premise that is based upon them surviving and escaping from a situation/scenario.
( Tangent thought - Cody Lundin in the dual survivor show had a similar 'escape' task but to me has always come across as being understanding and sympathetic to his surroundings )
Mears and Parry as far as i'm aware have never had a show ( have they? ) where they are tasked in the same way with an Escape scenario?
I only mention it as maybe Bear , if you remove the premise of the show , is a different person in approach and nature?
I love Manchester for me there's more to do there than LiverpoolPoor deluded fool!
Liverpool is probably the best city in Northern England and that's being modest about it too. (Take out the probably).
he has over 68 episodes I believe he did get food in quite a lot of them but did go on like a ten episode strea k with nothing but that's reality it's hardly a buffet out there
I think ES has spent time learning from indigenous tribes too but it's not part of his show format so probably not obvious. I'm sure he's described a technique learnt from xyz tribe as being useful in one of his escapes.
I suspect there is a lot we don't know about RM, ES & BG. We really only have their shows, interviews, books and any kit they've put their name to. What they represent is their career not their full capabilities or knowledge. Even in interviews they're representing their work for promotion purposes.
I suspect there is a lot we don't know about RM, ES & BG. We really only have their shows, interviews, books and any kit they've put their name to. What they represent is their career not their full capabilities or knowledge. Even in interviews they're representing their work for promotion purposes.
Yep, I'm not sure which knife skills they were working on either - I'd go SAS every time if my life depended on it.
I'm not sure I fully agree
- having re-watched some of RM's shows, I find his attitude with natives occasionally condescending and patronising - Bruce Parry always humble and learning.Just me perception.
Australian aboriginals I believe and there concept of the 3 brains they go by there gut ,one of the three brains the other being the heart it's interesting for sure
can i "throw" Malcolm Douglas, "Bush Tucker Man" Les Hiddins and Ruediger Nehberg into the discussion?!
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