No Carbs
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No crimes have been commited ,type 2 can easily be reversed youl be telling me overeating and being overweight is hereditary next .People cope to much and point the finger, using it as a excuse to eat themselves to death .
Have u ever tried to eat a full jar off honey in 1 go? Whilst 3 \4\5 \??large bags off Haribo goes down faster it's common sense.
This gets even better. That’s some good science you have going on.
No debate has ever been won by repeating 'I am right, you are wrong' - but, hey, as long as you're getting a kick out of it
Science is about actually doing things and finding out for yourself I can pretty much guaranteed a sane person can eat more haribos than raw unheated honey
Aha find out for yourself instead off reading books ,take action.
No, I’m relying on your evidence. You make loads of statements but I can’t see any value in them. I think you’re just making them up.
Honey sugar is just as bad as any other sugar.
yet obesity is still increasing with glorious mainstream science well done.Macros are not always equal
Not always.
Right now my brother is suffering from it....he got an infection in his lungs and couldn't breath, so to ameliorate that and let him absorb oxygen he was given steroids.
Steroids often induce Type2 diabetes. It can resolve, but it is often reluctant to do so.
He's now 63, has about the healthiest diet on the planet, is in no way overweight, was very fit and very active until his lungs stopped working properly.
His type 2 diabetes is not resolving, and he's now facing the rest of his life on a permanent connection to an oxygen supply.
You're causing increasing offence right across the threads. It's unnecessary and unkind. It would be much appreciated if you'd stop and think before you post.
Right. So. Going back to Tengu’s question and the comment about eating carbs, you need carbs, but much less than most people are used to eating. Look up portion sizes for each of the things you’re likely to eat. There are helpful ones online that express it in things like what will fit in the palm of your hand or a fist sized portion etc. If you have things like boiled whole wheat or other cereal grains, you don’t actually need much to fill you up (after an initial adjustment period).
I thought the advice available in the UK was a bit pants really (“Try to drink less squash.”…). I used the ones from the Scandinavian countries instead, but of course, that only works if you can read it.
Instead of increasing the meat and similar portion of your plate, make sure that your overall portions aren’t too big first. Many (most?) people are eating more than plenty of meat already, it’s just that the portions (and snacks etc) are too big.
And focus on what you *can* eat! Mentally, that does make a huge difference.
I thought the advice available in the UK was a bit pants really (“Try to drink less squash.”…). I used the ones from the Scandinavian countries instead, but of course, that only works if you can read it.
Instead of increasing the meat and similar portion of your plate, make sure that your overall portions aren’t too big first. Many (most?) people are eating more than plenty of meat already, it’s just that the portions (and snacks etc) are too big.
And focus on what you *can* eat! Mentally, that does make a huge difference.
With respect my point is illness always have a root cause the root cause is rarely looked at and drugs are prescribed to mask or alleviate ,but the root cause is the problem may I ask how his lungs became inffected.
TrueRight. So. Going back to Tengu’s question and the comment about eating carbs, you need carbs, but much less than most people are used to eating. Look up portion sizes for each of the things you’re likely to eat. There are helpful ones online that express it in things like what will fit in the palm of your hand or a fist sized portion etc. If you have things like boiled whole wheat or other cereal grains, you don’t actually need much to fill you up (after an initial adjustment period).
I thought the advice available in the UK was a bit pants really (“Try to drink less squash.”…). I used the ones from the Scandinavian countries instead, but of course, that only works if you can read it.
Instead of increasing the meat and similar portion of your plate, make sure that your overall portions aren’t too big first. Many (most?) people are eating more than plenty of meat already, it’s just that the portions (and snacks etc) are too big.
And focus on what you *can* eat! Mentally, that does make a huge difference.
Bacterial infection picked up from either working in an old house, (lathe and horsehair plaster) or being among people who themselves had it. Once the lungs are infected they become and ideal breeding ground for anything else that comes along.
I was an archaeologist, there are sites we don't work unless suited up. Farmyards and the like were rife with anthrax at one time. Old diseases linger beyond our expectations. Tissue taken from the frozen bodies of the victims of the 1918 flu epidemic were used to analyse and retrace the root of infection. It was avian....another bird flu.
TB, polio, leprosy.....
People died of infection. Anti biotics are a development within living memory. Hunter gatherers don't have anti biotics of a strength enough to stop their bodies dying of those major infections.
Thankfully our immune systems, if working and we're lucky, might manage to see off some, like cholera, and grant a immunity for a few years.
The idea that living a H/G lifestyle was healthier is not borne out by the evidences.
Fitter, perhaps, but fit for their lives, their time and place, not fit for ours.
Those hunter gathers I mentioned that I met; they were horrified at the amount of 'work' we did, the amount of time and effort we routinely expended in our daily lives.
Different people.
Antibiotics are good and bad all drugs have bad sides some kill they do a number on your gut flora
Antibiotics are lifesavers. However, they also have side effects- impacting gut flora and also driving microbial resistance. The trick is only using them when the benefits outweigh the side-effects.
There was a time when they were dished out for any sniffle, as a baby I was given them whenever I was grouchy when teething (so my teeth are permanently stained yellow).
When I was in my late teens, I had a severe (life threatening) bout of pneumonia. I was given very strong antibiotics which wiped out my gut flora- but most probably saved my life. Unfortunately, this also upset my whole digestion and insulin metabolism, so the only way I can manage my weight these days is on a (very) low carb diet. Probably had a genetic predisposition to insulin resistance which the antibiotic treatment triggered- the joys of epigenetics.
[Note: Insulin is the hormone that makes you retain fat and salt- it drives the metabolism so that any excess glucose is removed from the bloodstream and then stored as fat and suppresses excretion of sodium. If your insulin is constantly raised as is the case if you are insulin resistant, you will gain weight, retain salt, blood pressure rises; but if you lower the levels of insulin in the blood by not eating foods that encourage secretion of it, your insulin levels drop, your system will switch to fat-burning metabolic path (we have both available), you excrete sodium and lose/don't gain weight. Of course, persons with a well-functioning insulin metabolism never need to know this because their system just automatically balances properly for them. Unfortunately it seems that quite a few things- PCOS for example- cause insulin resistance].
Actually, you don't need carbs because your metabolic system can manufacture any required glucose from protein and the brain runs happily (better possibly) on ketones, but it does take a while for your metabolism to switch from the glucose-burning (normal minimal but adequate food available) mode to the fat-burning (starvation conditions) mode. We DO however need a certain proportion of amino acids, some fatty acids and vitamins. We also require salts: sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium in the right proportions. Our ability to extract nutrition from plants is generally not as good as from animal-derived foods because we have evolved to have a ridiculously short gut without proper fermentation capacity. We partly compensate by (a) cooking and (b) traditional food preparation methods based on fermentation.
Apologies for a long post, but I've spend many years following the most recent research on this since my metabolism was seriously screwed up over 30 years ago. Unfortunately, the NHS rules require GPs and clinics to follow the "guidelines" which are not up to date on this. But the information is out there, and test cases where medics who were pursued legally for using the latest research rather than guidelines have won their cases.
Human nature though: most people want a simple pill rather than developing their understanding and switching their whole eating mode to one which gives them the best health (and it's not the same for everyone by any means).
GreyCat.
There was a time when they were dished out for any sniffle, as a baby I was given them whenever I was grouchy when teething (so my teeth are permanently stained yellow).
When I was in my late teens, I had a severe (life threatening) bout of pneumonia. I was given very strong antibiotics which wiped out my gut flora- but most probably saved my life. Unfortunately, this also upset my whole digestion and insulin metabolism, so the only way I can manage my weight these days is on a (very) low carb diet. Probably had a genetic predisposition to insulin resistance which the antibiotic treatment triggered- the joys of epigenetics.
[Note: Insulin is the hormone that makes you retain fat and salt- it drives the metabolism so that any excess glucose is removed from the bloodstream and then stored as fat and suppresses excretion of sodium. If your insulin is constantly raised as is the case if you are insulin resistant, you will gain weight, retain salt, blood pressure rises; but if you lower the levels of insulin in the blood by not eating foods that encourage secretion of it, your insulin levels drop, your system will switch to fat-burning metabolic path (we have both available), you excrete sodium and lose/don't gain weight. Of course, persons with a well-functioning insulin metabolism never need to know this because their system just automatically balances properly for them. Unfortunately it seems that quite a few things- PCOS for example- cause insulin resistance].
Actually, you don't need carbs because your metabolic system can manufacture any required glucose from protein and the brain runs happily (better possibly) on ketones, but it does take a while for your metabolism to switch from the glucose-burning (normal minimal but adequate food available) mode to the fat-burning (starvation conditions) mode. We DO however need a certain proportion of amino acids, some fatty acids and vitamins. We also require salts: sodium, potassium, calcium and magnesium in the right proportions. Our ability to extract nutrition from plants is generally not as good as from animal-derived foods because we have evolved to have a ridiculously short gut without proper fermentation capacity. We partly compensate by (a) cooking and (b) traditional food preparation methods based on fermentation.
Apologies for a long post, but I've spend many years following the most recent research on this since my metabolism was seriously screwed up over 30 years ago. Unfortunately, the NHS rules require GPs and clinics to follow the "guidelines" which are not up to date on this. But the information is out there, and test cases where medics who were pursued legally for using the latest research rather than guidelines have won their cases.
Human nature though: most people want a simple pill rather than developing their understanding and switching their whole eating mode to one which gives them the best health (and it's not the same for everyone by any means).
GreyCat.
Thanks for trying to things back on track....Right. So. Going back to Tengu’s question and the comment about eating carbs, you need carbs, but much less than most people are used to eating. Look up portion sizes for each of the things you’re likely to eat. There are helpful ones online that express it in things like what will fit in the palm of your hand or a fist sized portion etc. If you have things like boiled whole wheat or other cereal grains, you don’t actually need much to fill you up (after an initial adjustment period).
I thought the advice available in the UK was a bit pants really (“Try to drink less squash.”…). I used the ones from the Scandinavian countries instead, but of course, that only works if you can read it.
Instead of increasing the meat and similar portion of your plate, make sure that your overall portions aren’t too big first. Many (most?) people are eating more than plenty of meat already, it’s just that the portions (and snacks etc) are too big.
And focus on what you *can* eat! Mentally, that does make a huge difference.
The advice that's out there about the modern diet is confusing and can be quite confusing. Health professionals still get it wrong when advising patients. A lot of health related advice online is for the masses and not tailored to the individual.
Any changes to an individuals diet or lifestyle should be done under the guidance of a proper specific professional. If you have issues with your diet or need advice on your diet go see a registered dietitian, not a GP. They're called 'general practitioners' for a reason and they should be sign posting you to the professional that specialises in your individual issue!
With regards to carbs (again, back to the OPs original post), I listed the questions because answering them will go a good way to sorting out the issue.
I don't consciously eat refined sugar. (I know I can't totally avoid it unless I go full cave man) but I do my best to eliminate refined sugar from my diet. Sure, I'll have a cheeky sugary something every now and then as a treat, but it's not a regular in my diet. I've actually become rather sensitive to refined sugar now. So much so, I get the immediate (false) energy rush then the crash after makes me feel very drowsy.
I don't eat as many carbs stated as 'the recommended amount' in general literature. I eat much less and I'm still healthy. I'm very active in my job, and I work out 4 or 5 times a week. As @SaraR says, most people consume too many carbohydrates in their diet.
I'm not a health professional but all my knowledge comes from specific health professionals as I am bit of a geek when it comes to my physical health.
I went for an over 40s health check a few weeks ago and was informed by the GP that I was 'at the top of the BMI recommended for my height and weight and could do with losing a few pounds'.......
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