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johnboy

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I agree, there's nothing at all wrong with that and good luck to them.It's just that Martin and I were looking at it slightly differently based on other info :rolleyes:
Aye, but seeing as the vast majority of the forum probably does not have the same inside info it's a bit lost on us all I suppose...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:Feel free to share...
 

Stringmaker

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Thanks for the heads up on this.

I have just this second booked onto the fire lighting techniques course, as this is my "specialist subject" as a volunteer. Having done the Introduction to Bushcraft course with them back in 2009, this looks right up my street.

Come back next July for my review!

On the subject of price versus value, that is entirely subjective. On a £/hr basis I think it is good value, and the memories I am likely to come away with will simply add to it.
 

JonathanD

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Aye, but seeing as the vast majority of the forum probably does not have the same inside info it's a bit lost on us all I suppose...:rolleyes: :rolleyes:Feel free to share...

It's nothing much. Paul Kirtley's new school has the same course offered, which he told us about a few weeks back. As he was the head of Woodlores ops for many many years, it's no surprise that Woodlore are now offering the same course. Whether he had discussed the idea while he was at Woodlore, or whether Woodlore thought it was worth doing too, after the fact,we'll never know.
 
I think some folk will gladly pay it, you can't blame him really when he's running a business

I reckon those days will probably sell out quicker than the other courses
Thats like saying footballers deserve their outrageous sums of cash because their career is short and they need something to live on from the age of 35 onwards.
Other folk run a business and dont charge that ammount,even lawyers and thats saying something, Raymondo is getting greedy and thats about it.
 

rmbriar

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My main qualm with this is that yes, Ray has always put emphasis on reintroducing old ways of life, using old techniques that are pleasant to our planet, his message has always been that it is important for us to remember these skills and how they can be very useful and even save lives. However, recently I feel there's been a bit of fine print thrown in to the idea "To learn these basic skills it'll cost an arm and leg." I know he is at the very fore of Bushcraft both in theory and in practice, but I'm sure there are many folk out there who could teach him a thing or two, for the payment of medicine for their sick child. I also know he does his bit for charitable causes, but raking in several grand a day does seem all a little too lucrative.
 

Shewie

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Football is a whole different kettle of fish, TV sponsoring has a lot to blame for the state it's in now.

Ray will charge what he thinks folk will pay, I checked on the bookings yesterday and both days were nearly full

Just checked again now and they're both sold out
 

JonathanD

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Thats like saying footballers deserve their outrageous sums of cash because their career is short and they need something to live on from the age of 35 onwards.
Other folk run a business and dont charge that ammount,even lawyers and thats saying something, Raymondo is getting greedy and thats about it.

Ray ran these walks long before he was famous. You seriously can't compare his walk to a footballers salary. I can't see any of them spending a day with just 20 people for £350 each, and it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting.
 
Ray ran these walks long before he was famous. You seriously can't compare his walk to a footballers salary. I can't see any of them spending a day with just 20 people for £350 each, and it certainly wouldn't be anywhere near as interesting.
I have an old brochure somewhere and this walk used to cost £100-00 for the walk in the woods, must be the petrol price getting there that has pushed the price up by 250 %
 
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Thoth

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£350 is more than I'd choose to spend, but it's a free market and I expect that it will sell, Ray is an inspirational teacher and great story teller. I'm sure those who attend will have a wonderful day. I've attended other Woodlore courses and have considered them good value for the money. The standard of instruction is high and you get what you pay for with Woodlore I think. Like some others who have commented here, I too was wondering about the apparent coincidence of the 'refresher' course being offered by both Woodlore and Frontier Bushcraft. But it's a good idea and a free market when all's said and done. Going back to the point about self-catering vs. catered Woodlore courses I'm undecided on which is best. Certainly The Fundamental course needs to be catered to allow time for the busy shedule whereas some other courses benefit from the quiet time to be had cooking and eating by oneself.
 

JonathanD

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I have an old brochure somewhere and this walk used to cost £100-00 for the walk in the woods, must be the petrol price getting there that has pushed the price up by 250 %

In 2004 it was £125, it went up in 2005 and it finished after that due to Rays commitments elsewhere.
 
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"...I was actually booked on their campcraft course, deposit paid, but then just couldn't face driving all the way down there, getting in food, taking cooking gear etc., so in the end couldn't be bothered to go. Catering for "students" saves time for teaching and adds value to the course..."

You lost your deposit because you didn't fancy nipping into Tesco's on the way down?

I attended the Campcraft course back in 2007, I flew in from Hungary and took a train from the airport direct to the venue, because I had no transport to get to a store I asked Woodlore to pick up some shopping for me, this they did.

I think the idea behind the self catering aspect (on the Campcraft course at least) is that the course is all about creating a more comfortable long term campsite for your self, and cooking and preparing your own meals was part of that, more importantly it allowed the attendees to pool much of their food and have the odd mini banquet of an evening. Again making use of some of the tools and methods taught throughout the day.

On my course Ray nipped by with a recently shot Roe deer, he then gave an impromptu lecture on dismantling said animal and left half of it for us to eat later in the week.

I enjoyed that course, but not as much as other Woodlore courses that I have attended.

It is unlikely that I will attend any more courses run by Woodlore, not because of the costs, but simply because I don't know any of the Instructors. All the folks who have run the courses I have enjoyed there, Woody, Willow, Paul and others have all moved on to set up their own schools or work for others. So I would probably seek them out instead.

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350 is a bit much. especially if there really are 20 people in a group. 5, i'd understand, but 20?

In my humble opinion.

I've been thinking about taking a Woodlore course, but are they more expensive just because of Ray Mears' celebrity?
 
£350? A day with a celebrity, this seems a reasonable charge; some celebrities charge £30+++++ for a signed photograph.

Respectfully, these so called celebs are getting rich from their fans and at the same time stopping other fans who (like myself) would love to do a walk in the woods but have to allocate the money we have available to us for other things such as food, shoes etc, now if the prices were of a more realistic level then perhaps the not so affluent amongst us could afford to go.
 

Jonboy83

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I have got to have a rant about this, sorry, but Bushcraft is it a hobby that can be sold,or a valuble way of life that takes years not 1 day @ £350 quid to teach?
All the best to Ray Mears he knows his stuff, but his main courses are run in Namibia,Sweden etc, all good for the experience of a life time but the skills you learn in other countries, you come back to Britain and you will find half of what you have learned is no good because of our climate materials etc, and nine times out of ten you pay for the course and don't even see Ray while you are there. There are other reasonably priced bushcraft schools out there that you can learn exactly the same that ray teaches sometimes more. I know one of these companies myself @£35-£75 per day I have no complaints:) To myself and hopefully Bushcraft should be a way of life, knowing the skills that apply to you and your and enviroment are what is important, not who taught them or how much it cost!
How can people put such high prices on knowledge?
Anyway I could go on forever, but thats my opinion on it all,
Rant over ATB Jono
 

loosehead

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Oct 7, 2011
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blimey - £350 !!! am sure it'd be a great day out - my kids would be in heaven , but that's more than my holiday budget for the whole year - think i must be the poorest man on the forum lol . have noticed that anything vaguely realted to bushcraft attracts a premium price - shame really , especially in todays tough economic climate . guess it'll have to be hot dogs and marsh mellows over the beach fire for us 3 - happy days
 

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