I did check the law Books again, and in reality going by your assumptions, its always illegal to carry a knife, even if you have good reason,, the only problem i have is determining what you think is a stupid knife as you say carrying stupid knives is illegal........a machete, looks a bit stupid to me, should I report the gardener to the Police?....I watched a crime programme last night on TV, where 3 people were killed with a golf club, obviously a weapon that can kill, should i report all golfers to the police?.......my local Snap-ON Man has all sorts of screwdrivers, chisels, etc in his van should i report him?....................or should I get real, asnd remember what my dear old Dad once told me, "Never try to educate wood"
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I did check the law Books again, and in reality going by your assumptions, its always illegal to carry a knife, even if you have good reason,, the only problem i have is determining what you think is a stupid knife as you say carrying stupid knives is illegal........a machete, looks a bit stupid to me, should I report the gardener to the Police?....I watched a crime programme last night on TV, where 3 people were killed with a golf club, obviously a weapon that can kill, should i report all golfers to the police?.......my local Snap-ON Man has all sorts of screwdrivers, chisels, etc in his van should i report him?....................or should I get real, asnd remember what my dear old Dad once told me, "Never try to educate wood"
The 'rambo' knife ain't illegal, but putting together this lad's desire to justify carrying it around with his desire to get a FAC isn't a good story.
I do agree with the desire to reeducate though.
I do agree with the desire to reeducate though.
I give up...............lol.......................looking for a quote to dig a pond, so I can put all my big knives in...........as i might want to get a FAC
Luckily we don't have to go by my 'assumptions' (whatever you think they may be) we can go by the law.
The law also helps define what is a "stupid" knife.
Whatever you think of the law on carrying knives it is still a law.
It's there for better or worse to protect the majority even whilst inconveniencing the minority.
An oversized Rambo knife is not a tool. Comparing it to proper tool use is just too disingenuous.
I don't believe the OP would have bothered writing the post if the guy had pulled out a 'work' knife.
There'd be no ambiguity or argument. But you should understand that carrying an oversized 'Rambo' style knife is a very different proposition.
If only the poor sod had pulled out a Skrama instead. Just as big and just as deadly but this thread wouldn't exist.
It looks cool, and has lots of seriously looking blunt treeth on the back. Even cooler if it is black and has an elox stippled Al handle with a survival kit hidden inside. It also should have a camo plastic scabbard with a text like "SEALS" or Spitsnas"
(Just joking)
Damn, mine didn't have SEALS or S.A.S on it or anything
Did have a catapult built into the sheath though
Actually thinking back to my own 'rambo' style knife i had as a kid i genuinely did use it as a tool for all sorts of things. Including hedge laying.....not saying it was any good lol but it was cool and i used it
Good job its not really the business of the police to decide what tool i should use for what job eh. I have the RIGHT to use a pefectly crappy tool
I remember telling a scaffolder off for using my spanner as a hammer.....that is REALLY the wrong tool for the job, armed response would have been best for that situation really, silly me just got over it and moved on
Seriousness has left the building!
Good job its not really the business of the police to decide what tool i should use for what job eh. I have the RIGHT to use a pefectly crappy tool
I remember telling a scaffolder off for using my spanner as a hammer.....that is REALLY the wrong tool for the job, armed response would have been best for that situation really, silly me just got over it and moved on
Seriousness has left the building!
I really didn't want to reply to this thread anymore, but KenThis you dont seem to have much Idea regarding the Law and the carrying of Knives, I suggest you get yourself a cup of tea and read about them, you have misquoted the Law on too many occasions to be au fait with it, let me give an example of one of your quotes
You're right I forgot about the 'tacticcool' neck knife, depending on the length that could well have been illegal too.
In this case the length of the knife does not come into it, any fixed blade knife is illegal to carry( unless you have good reason), the length of the cutting edge would only come into account if it was non locking and under 3 inches long.
As well as it being in a car, it could have just as easily been in his boot or in his back pocket.
In law it would make no difference if its in your pocket, boot or in your car, your car, in Law, is classed as a public place( unless its on private Land, eg. your driveway,
I have read the related Laws, and in no section does it clarify, or define what a "stupid knife" is.
Now although it may seem difficult to justify carrying a Rambo style knife, (dont know why its called oversized, as its much shorter than a sword), lets say that with his experience of digging ponds, which may mean the removal of trees , bushes etc, he had found that this knife was the best knife for removing the roots that are deep in the holes he was digging to make the pond, I myself have used a Dartmoor Knife for this purpose and found it quite suitable, the saw back comes in handy..
You're right I forgot about the 'tacticcool' neck knife, depending on the length that could well have been illegal too.
In this case the length of the knife does not come into it, any fixed blade knife is illegal to carry( unless you have good reason), the length of the cutting edge would only come into account if it was non locking and under 3 inches long.
As well as it being in a car, it could have just as easily been in his boot or in his back pocket.
In law it would make no difference if its in your pocket, boot or in your car, your car, in Law, is classed as a public place( unless its on private Land, eg. your driveway,
I have read the related Laws, and in no section does it clarify, or define what a "stupid knife" is.
Now although it may seem difficult to justify carrying a Rambo style knife, (dont know why its called oversized, as its much shorter than a sword), lets say that with his experience of digging ponds, which may mean the removal of trees , bushes etc, he had found that this knife was the best knife for removing the roots that are deep in the holes he was digging to make the pond, I myself have used a Dartmoor Knife for this purpose and found it quite suitable, the saw back comes in handy..
The title was changed for a reason, one that fits the ethos of the site.
I have two concerns about any lad like this.
One, by the sounds of it his behaviour is exactly the kind that gives everybody else who carries a knife a bad name. Folks look at him and either fret or shake their heads. Either way, it's not exactly encouraging, is it ?
We have had enough screaming banner headlines.
Round here the last MP's stated warcry was, and I jest you not, "Carry a Knife, go to Jail!!!". I suppose having his patch the murder capital of Europe didn't help any there though
even I, little middle aged lady that I am, got wary about being seen with a knife outdoors for a bit. I even bought one of those hooked and brush ended mushroom ones (lethal damned things, better off with a wee necker) just to look less 'knifey'.
Secondly, if someone as calm and sensible as Spandit is discombobulated enough to comment about it, here, then I reckon there was something enough off about the situation to raise a certain wariness. One has to wonder just where else he's showing off his tools, and just how soon he's going to irk or fret or concern someone else enough to land himself in hot water.
If he's trying for his FAC does he not need a mentor ? surely someone will have a word with him about suitable behaviour?
M
I have two concerns about any lad like this.
One, by the sounds of it his behaviour is exactly the kind that gives everybody else who carries a knife a bad name. Folks look at him and either fret or shake their heads. Either way, it's not exactly encouraging, is it ?
We have had enough screaming banner headlines.
Round here the last MP's stated warcry was, and I jest you not, "Carry a Knife, go to Jail!!!". I suppose having his patch the murder capital of Europe didn't help any there though
even I, little middle aged lady that I am, got wary about being seen with a knife outdoors for a bit. I even bought one of those hooked and brush ended mushroom ones (lethal damned things, better off with a wee necker) just to look less 'knifey'.Secondly, if someone as calm and sensible as Spandit is discombobulated enough to comment about it, here, then I reckon there was something enough off about the situation to raise a certain wariness. One has to wonder just where else he's showing off his tools, and just how soon he's going to irk or fret or concern someone else enough to land himself in hot water.
If he's trying for his FAC does he not need a mentor ? surely someone will have a word with him about suitable behaviour?
M
Thanks for the heads up.
You're right I'm no expert so I'm happy to go with what you say.
In summary
"any fixed blade knife is illegal to carry( unless you have good reason)"
"carrying it anywhere in belongings or on person is classed as public space (unless on private land (with landowners permission))."
As for the idea of 'stupid' knives you brought that up first in post 35 I just followed on from that. Although I find your focus on that term odd, I'll happily concede it's not the best term, ignore it if you like as it doesn't alter the argument.
I fully admit I'm no expert on current knife law, I've never read it, never needed to. However I'd humbly suggest your facts do more to bolster my argument than yours.
Since now all the argument boils down to is whether or not one can ever have a good reason to carry an "oversized Rambo knife" (OP description somewhere I think).
I say there is no good reason to be carrying such a knife in the situation described, it is not and could not be considered a suitable tool by any reasonable man.
Furthermore I say that even if it were a tool it should be in a tool box and not carried on someones person.
Luckily it doesn't matter if I'm wrong in my assertions, deciding how to apply the law is down to the police and the CPS. I would be very much within my rights (and as far as I'm concerned moral obligation) to report the person to the police. Deciding what to do with the information is down to them and deciding whether the man in question had broken the law would be down to a judge and jury.
No, the mentor condition is not law and not often used from what i gather from different areas. Even when it is used it is only usually applied to centerfire rifles. Never heard of a mentoring condition being applied to FAC air or rimfire
Ah, my confusion, sorry.
"DSC1 or Mentoring Conditions:
Having a Deer Stalking Certificate Level 1 may be a requirement before they allow you to stalk deer. There is no legal requirement for this and if your FEO states this you might want to consider contacting one of the organisations such as BASC for advice.
Some forces will insist you have a mentor depending on the area you live. It seems the more rural you are the less restrictions that will apply. If you don't have anyone who can mentor you then your FEO might know someone suitable who you can contact. There is nothing in the firearms law that says you need a mentor."
I know three lads round here who have had 'mentors' though, so I rather thought it was normal.
By the sounds of it, this young man might benefit from one though.
M
"DSC1 or Mentoring Conditions:
Having a Deer Stalking Certificate Level 1 may be a requirement before they allow you to stalk deer. There is no legal requirement for this and if your FEO states this you might want to consider contacting one of the organisations such as BASC for advice.
Some forces will insist you have a mentor depending on the area you live. It seems the more rural you are the less restrictions that will apply. If you don't have anyone who can mentor you then your FEO might know someone suitable who you can contact. There is nothing in the firearms law that says you need a mentor."
I know three lads round here who have had 'mentors' though, so I rather thought it was normal.
By the sounds of it, this young man might benefit from one though.
M
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