M84 Danish Army jacket - anyone have any experience/views about?
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There are copies out there, original ones from what ive heard are well made,good quality etc, and good effective woodland camo.(better in pine forrests)
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I have a gen issue one. great in winter but not for summer you will overheat in it very quickly.
I've had mine two years now and still going strong. the build quality is far superior to our British army equivalent
I've had mine two years now and still going strong. the build quality is far superior to our British army equivalent
Thanks for that. Looks just the thing for wearing under my Swedish army parka and leggings at the Elefantentreffen in Passau next year! Did this on my sidecar outfit a year or two ago - 2000 miles and it never got above freezing or stopped sleeting/snowing. Took me 2 weeks to get some feeling in my fingertips back!
(Anyone tells you any motorcycle gloves are waterproof - just spin in their eye. 4 pairs - including a set of electric ones - failed. Overgloves and handlebar muffs next time!)
(Anyone tells you any motorcycle gloves are waterproof - just spin in their eye. 4 pairs - including a set of electric ones - failed. Overgloves and handlebar muffs next time!)
Just a follow-up note. I bought one of these off ebay - still selling here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180515205989
No connection etc etc - but delivery was immediate - within 2 days of buying, and price much better than any I've seen advertised - or in shops.
These things are really well-made - reeks of quality. And clearly brand-new. Big thumbs-up from me!
No connection etc etc - but delivery was immediate - within 2 days of buying, and price much better than any I've seen advertised - or in shops.
These things are really well-made - reeks of quality. And clearly brand-new. Big thumbs-up from me!
Thanks for the Heads-up - just purchased one of these at a very good price. Interested to see what it's like when I get it.
Best Wishes
David
Mine just turned up - VERY impressive, superb quality, and the civvi sizing given by the Ebay seller is spot on.
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I have one but i dont use it only keep it for spare fabric.
I did use it doing my draft and only minus is the zipped chest pockets! but damn do they suck major bottom! breake all the time and are not field repareble! If you dont need the disrubtive camo (and you dont!) and pencil case on upper arm, i would go for the generation before the M58 its has the same pockets also the big inside pocket running along the back (love it!)
General problem could be the manchets gives burning wrists for prolonged stays in muddy conditions and that they in theory needs to be coated from time to time but under woodcraft conditions these two factors should not be an issue.
The combat trousers though!!! they are with out comparison to anything out there! but insanely difficult to get hang off in general anything with the HMAK in it is contraband! The jacket is the same for service and combat there for a litle easier to get.
I did use it doing my draft and only minus is the zipped chest pockets! but damn do they suck major bottom! breake all the time and are not field repareble! If you dont need the disrubtive camo (and you dont!) and pencil case on upper arm, i would go for the generation before the M58 its has the same pockets also the big inside pocket running along the back (love it!)
General problem could be the manchets gives burning wrists for prolonged stays in muddy conditions and that they in theory needs to be coated from time to time but under woodcraft conditions these two factors should not be an issue.
The combat trousers though!!! they are with out comparison to anything out there! but insanely difficult to get hang off in general anything with the HMAK in it is contraband! The jacket is the same for service and combat there for a litle easier to get.
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DONT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT!
all i have seen is pure crap ripstop nylon wierd pattern (though fleck).
They did make a smock for balcan which i think is comercial avaible. Its in a more modern fabric, i think with membrane, havent used it. Pretty much the same (if not the same) has also been implemented for dessert combat. The problem is the rest of the uniform system (that i pretty much still dress after) does not perform with that clotches. In general dressing for outdoors life in denmark is not the same as in balcan or the dessert so it does not fit my system.
When deciding for the danish flecktern (german pattern, less colours) tests proved that plain olive worked better from 300m and out in danish bio habitat than the woodland pattern but the "new" (77) mechanical optical devices made them stand out clear compared to disrubtive camougflage, the last being a prime factor for disrubtive pattern as most engagements happens within 300m. But no doubt the colours where chosen for pine forrest and they work great for that but the type of disrubtive camouflage chosen was also to make one system that looked smart and uniform compared to the old pieaes collected over diffrent times from diffrent surplus and vendors/providers and yet another major factor in deciding for the danish camouflage was to be able to destinguess nationality from others. So far from all aspects of military camouflage can be writen of with what conceals you the best.
PS. Later on it proved that disrubtive camouflage also have an effect on targeting spotted objects within 300m but to begin with it was meant for concealment.
PPS. One of the must amazing things with the danish uniform in regards to camouflage is how it addapts to its enviroment, it simply picks it up!
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Excellent quality piece of kit compared to the other equivalents out there.
I use the same combo as above minus the leggings and nothing gets beats it out in the freezing cold.
My only gripe is that they could of designed a better fitting hood on the jacket, maybe a permanent lined hood.
One thing i cannot figure out is a male push stud just under the collar of the jacket to the left, can anyone comment on the use of that stud?
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ananix, from my original post i was meaning there are copies out there but dont get them,thats why i went on to say the originals are well made good materials etc,eg unlike the copies.
I saw a programme many years ago regarding open ground and our dpm cammouflage, that showed its the same as your's regarding open ground, with plain olive green as a comparison,it to didnt perform as well,but once in long grasses,wooded enviroments it well out performed the plain olive green clothing.
I saw a programme many years ago regarding open ground and our dpm cammouflage, that showed its the same as your's regarding open ground, with plain olive green as a comparison,it to didnt perform as well,but once in long grasses,wooded enviroments it well out performed the plain olive green clothing.
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The hood is not used to keep your warm or alike but purely against chemicals and gas, and i fits when wearing a gas mask, what it was designed for i dont know. The reason its not there permenant is because the same jacket is used for service as for combat, to safe money. What the "extra" button is for i actualy dont know, but it seems to be outdated and gone later on, ill try and look it up i have the pocket manual for m84 system at home, but i dont recall that button in it at all so no hopes up. It seems the buttons in general are only mentioned in relation to the hood.
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I think i understood that from your post, just think i wanted to support it and post a clear warning and options.
It all has to do with distance but yes they overlap someplaces and are better in others and so on
Just got the genuine HMAK trousers as well to go with and they are superb. Available on Ebay now
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Congrats!! hope its the combat ones! A tip for wearing them with suspenders is to let the belt loop run through the suspender clip where the elastiks is also running through. Dont know if its common practise or self explainary.
Just had to add this pic think its amazing how they mimic the grass.
Just had to add this pic think its amazing how they mimic the grass.
I see they sell lot of of m84 pants as combat pants but only this one is.
The ones Newfields Army Surplus states is combat pants is pictured as service pants!
Also their description dosnt really fit the other ones does.
Easy way to tell is the combat ones have no visible buttons on the cargo pocket, they fold down to close and have two bottons hidden by a flap, and have expanding sides. The service ones have one botton going through a flap, thats it, and no expanding sides.
In general thats a very good example of the combat and service diffrences, that also covers many many others areas, they are not at all the same pants.
I can add the cargo pockets are inteded (and i use them) for clothes, scarf (net or wool tunnel), gloves (leather + halfingers in season), beenie, and alike.
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