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vat No, flippin eck he must be turning over a few quid to make it worthwhile registering!
isnt there any way he can be outed?
isnt there any way he can be outed?
what are you on about - there is plenty of evidence out there just google the name the threads are there
its not just about one hatchet...
No - and that's my point really. Using the hatchet as an example muddies the water a great deal as he's not doing anything that other reputable sellers aren't either. I think Southey made a better point about the way he goes about selling things.
From what I can gather the issue is about him mis-selling, ripping offer other makers designs and pretending to be something he isn't - so people are either paying over the odds - or paying not much money for what is promised to be a "handmade" knife. I think if he was honest about his stock (cheap knives from pakistan) and didn't trade off other peoples names there wouldn't be an issue.
That and him stealing designs and saying they Are his, he did this to one famous ex member here not Bear Gryllis but the same initials, and iirc to a leather worker(iirc also a member here) again claiming it was his own design, then selling both designed products as hand made high end kit, though they were obviously of bad construction. Its a very underhand thing to do, I would say That anyone who puts money in this chaps hands I out of pocket.
Its a bad smell that lingers on anything copied without paying the dues to the original designer either in name or the words used to sell it.
to be honest I just think your looking to pick a fight
you and I obviously differ about blatant copying of other peoples work....
Just back from the sorting office and have collcted my knife.
No makers mark on it. It looks quite nice from a distance. When you get close up however the level of finish is pretty poor. The horn and bone have been aggressively machine polished and the horn is scorched and uneven as is the bone. The blade looks the part but it is not brilliantly sharp. Time will tell as to the quality of the steel.
Guys, have either of you considered returning them under the distance selling regulations?
From all the posts I've read (both on this thread and others) it seems that this guy is able to still trade because he knows the law. Quite literally, anyone can sell knifes provided they only supply to people aged 18+. Providing he doesn't try and trade under the same trade name as someone else he is acting within the law. So he finds a name which is similar to an already established and well respected maker, and trades under that name for a while 'til people get wise to him, then he simply changes the name under which he trades to another which is also similar. In law "similar" is not "same as" so he is covered.
If the blades are made in Pakistan for example but the handles are made in Britain, can the knifes be sold as "Made in Britain"? Remember, it's not that unusual for a blade to be made by one craftsman and the handle by another, and yet another for the sheath, so who made the knife? I think that is what he does, buys in the various parts and simply assembles them here, but maybe I'm wrong. If the knifes are made entirely in another country, but marketed as made in Britain then he is clearly breaking the law. Trading Standards would be interested if that were the case. Even if he is acting within the law BBCs "Watchdog" program might also be interested if it is deemed that this guy is damaging the reputation of other craftsmen or misleading his customers. But I think he knows the law and hides behind it.
I don't see it as a witch hunt, I see it as a group of people encouraging others to beware of buying an article that isn't what it seems at first, from a seller who deliberately tries to hoodwink his clients into thinking they are buying a top quality item. It is obvious that his products are not made to the same high quality as some of the well established makers (they say that imitation is the highest form of flattery, and his knifes are seemingly poor imitations). He's just very good at making people think they are buying the original when they are not.
Buyer beware.
If the blades are made in Pakistan for example but the handles are made in Britain, can the knifes be sold as "Made in Britain"? Remember, it's not that unusual for a blade to be made by one craftsman and the handle by another, and yet another for the sheath, so who made the knife? I think that is what he does, buys in the various parts and simply assembles them here, but maybe I'm wrong. If the knifes are made entirely in another country, but marketed as made in Britain then he is clearly breaking the law. Trading Standards would be interested if that were the case. Even if he is acting within the law BBCs "Watchdog" program might also be interested if it is deemed that this guy is damaging the reputation of other craftsmen or misleading his customers. But I think he knows the law and hides behind it.
I don't see it as a witch hunt, I see it as a group of people encouraging others to beware of buying an article that isn't what it seems at first, from a seller who deliberately tries to hoodwink his clients into thinking they are buying a top quality item. It is obvious that his products are not made to the same high quality as some of the well established makers (they say that imitation is the highest form of flattery, and his knifes are seemingly poor imitations). He's just very good at making people think they are buying the original when they are not.
Buyer beware.
no, not looking for a fight - just saying I'd seen the hatchet on other websites for sale.
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