My one does not ,just weighed it at 2.25kg and with the side pouches 2.75kg thought it was a bit more than that mind you ,i stand corrected
Jason
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My one does not ,just weighed it at 2.25kg and with the side pouches 2.75kg thought it was a bit more than that mind you ,i stand corrected
Jason
For attatching these
http://www.heinnie.com/Maxpedition-Bottle-Holder-10x4-and-12x5/p-0-0-3064/
http://www.heinnie.com/Maxpedition-FR1-Medical-Pouch/p-0-0-3088/
And a backup pouch of some sort.
Maybe a carabiner
So whats an alternative to a molle belt?
Heres the raymears websites info. Could be a newer model
http://www.raymears.com/Bushcraft_Product/293-Karrimor-Sabre-45-litre-Rucksack/
a 58 pat webbing belt?
standard leather belt and a different water bottle/ FAK pouch?
Can i ask do you NEED them on te belt or WANT them on the belt?
i've tried the many items on a belt and found that 90% of the time i dont use the items on the belt enough to justify the weight of carrying 1ltr water on my hip/round my waist. FAK yeah i can understand that but if i was trekking long distance as per your intentions i would want everything in one pack,
standard leather belt and a different water bottle/ FAK pouch?
Can i ask do you NEED them on te belt or WANT them on the belt?
i've tried the many items on a belt and found that 90% of the time i dont use the items on the belt enough to justify the weight of carrying 1ltr water on my hip/round my waist. FAK yeah i can understand that but if i was trekking long distance as per your intentions i would want everything in one pack,
If you dont need a pack that holds 45 ltrs look for something that fits your requirments better. Go to a good outdoor store and get a pack measured and fitted properly. If your thinking about trying to make an uncomfortable pack comfy forget it.
I have a few packs that i use and by far the most comfortable is the cheapest, its had some real use and never let me down so you dont always need to pay top ££££. My packs are Berghaus munro and vulcan both of which i use for short trips and winter. The other is a North Ridge ballistic45 climbing pack, its really light but robust. It doesnt have pouches/pockets so i have to pack carefully but never not had all i need inside for the trip im making.
The idea of an extra belt kit IMO is asking for trouble. If you have to have extra pooches try and fit them to the pack but without throwing the ballance out.
I have a few packs that i use and by far the most comfortable is the cheapest, its had some real use and never let me down so you dont always need to pay top ££££. My packs are Berghaus munro and vulcan both of which i use for short trips and winter. The other is a North Ridge ballistic45 climbing pack, its really light but robust. It doesnt have pouches/pockets so i have to pack carefully but never not had all i need inside for the trip im making.
The idea of an extra belt kit IMO is asking for trouble. If you have to have extra pooches try and fit them to the pack but without throwing the ballance out.
I begrudge paying anything out on kit which doesn't do the job it's designed to do. This forum isn't specifically aimed at hiking but some who've used this pack have told you that they haven't got on with it when longer trips / distances have been involved ~ modifying or upgrading a brand new pack to make it fit shouldn't even be on the cards. You need to take the kit you intend carrying to as many reputable retailers who carry the various potentially suitable packs as you can. Pack the kit in the pack(s) and walk round the store for a bit ~ if the packs have adjustable back systems ask a member of staff to help set it up as it should be for you. If they won't allow you to check the pack properly or won't / can't help you adjust packs leave the shop and take your money with you
.There's an old saying 'Any idiot can be uncomfortable!'. Discomfort is the fore runner to injury and injury will detract from both the experience and enjoyment of any trip ~ and injuries can lead to poor judgement calls.
Forget what colour a pack is. Instead, focus on getting a pack which is the right size, is comfortable to wear when packed and is intended for covering longer distances ~ because shorter distances will also be more comfortable
. Why forget colour? Because it'd be a very good idea to purchase* a waterproof cover and this cover will hide** whatever colour your pack is .* And use whatever the weather.
** With an added bonus that, should you need to make an emergency call, you can whip the cover off and become a bit easier to spot against the muted colours of nature.
Plus Ray Mears site isnt really geared up for the long distance backpacker,there's lots of good stuff on his site,some of which may suit, but long distance treking isnt really what his site specialises in,look at back packing light or similar shops for that kinda gear.
With a knife.... simple but why would you want to, the the waist belt takes most of the load?
Oh I always thought the maxpeditions attatch to packs or war belts, not other belts.
Well a long trip is a short trip, but for days lol.
The pouches will keep weight of stuff seperate from the pack, more regulated around my body rather than one place. And when fishing I will only dirty one pouch, not contaminate everything etc, just makes sense to have a pouch on the waist I think,
Everything at the ready without needing to take bag off, get through
he wateproof bag inside, then search for loose items or pouches etc. Waist pouches are only really pros I think.
Yeah but the karrimores a military designed pack.
And being on a bushcraft specific site, you get the idea of a blend of both, but I guess ray mears probably has a manopolising weakness, like common folk..
Just because its on his site doesnt mean its a must have. Also when was the last time you saw RM using a sabre.
Just a thought but what will you be carrying in the pack and what would you put on your belt order.
If it were a blend of both there'd be a whole load of funky coloured light-weight packs
. As has been suggested, have a look at backpackinglight ~ linky thing.As many on these boards will tell you, military packs aren't generally designed for comfort over distance ~ for hiking get a proper, designed for the job, pack.
Woodlore isn't the sole retailer of these packs ~ even in the bushy world. Unless an item is an own brand product or special edition, any monopolising is self-imposed.
dont get ''like common folk'' bit. Im only going from my personnel use of the 45 and i am rather tall,but it just wasnt comfy on me,and i never did any long trek's with it, a couple of day hikes,and some cliff decents carrying enough kit/food/water for 3 days on a beach,it was to short for my back,and felt a bit unbalanced when fully loaded (main compartment and side pouches) i think because of its width to length ratio,and because the hip belt was on my waist, if you added molle belt to that,yep it may sit better as per military carrying webbing with a short back bergen,but this will draw more attention to your self,than just doing your trip with a lightweight made for treking civi pack,and as some of your other posts have been about getting into trouble,carrying this and that,worrying about being attacked,you will be at the very least less noticed not wearing molle (war belt) belt with a sabre 45 when going for a great trip around the British coast and thats not even counting the confort issue.
One nalgene bottle holder, a fr1 with some medical supplys, some fishing gear, and a multitool, a ledlenser flashlight, and some cordage.
With space left, its a good size pouch. The other smaller pouch would be some spare items.and batteries.
Think thats about it so far. Ill just add stuff as I think of stuff or hear of over the next few months
With space left, its a good size pouch. The other smaller pouch would be some spare items.and batteries.
Think thats about it so far. Ill just add stuff as I think of stuff or hear of over the next few months
Yeah thatll be attention not wanted in the major city areas, the coastline and foresty areas is fine, ill blend in, i would incorporate things to the exteria of the bag, like some sort of bright hippie lanyard etc for walks through domestic druggy areas of city type societys.
There must be ways to make a bag comfy though.
I think ill opt for this pack, but take my bank card on the trip with a hundred gbp on it so if the uncomfort is dehabilitating after a month then ill be able to buy another one during, probs be at wales by then. So wouldnt encounter much dfodgy landscape yet anyway, as In not much hills etc.
must be nice to have the surplus funds to buy things if the original is uncomfy some of us are stuck with the kit we purchase ehnce why we are recommending options
most places carrying army sup style kit ie sabre, ''war belt' will stick out like a sore bum much more than a hiking pack
i used to mooch aout carrying all my college books etc in a 45ltr millets rucksack with nowt mentioned
moved to a army sup 35ltr and got all sorts of comments
most places carrying army sup style kit ie sabre, ''war belt' will stick out like a sore bum much more than a hiking pack
i used to mooch aout carrying all my college books etc in a 45ltr millets rucksack with nowt mentioned
moved to a army sup 35ltr and got all sorts of comments
Yeah but the comments are ignorable, but comments can get tiring if your subjecting yourself to same people over and over again.
No I dont have so much surplus funds, I just dont drink, or smoke or do drugs anymore, and am single lol.
Ive alrewady been putting kit together for 6 months now, and Im only covered 100 percent on the water department. And getting there on other things. Some of you are able to try out others gear, or have shops locale that stock the items you want, but then again most peoples gear is probably made up of wrong buys or from local stockists, and perhaos made up of years of experience with different kit untill they custom their needs specifically.
Ill be lacking all of that
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