'interesting' definition of bushcraft

[sargey]

MOD hat on,

Godwin's law applies; however instead of closing things down, that's why I have edited.
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cheers,
Toddy

:You_Rock_

top chick!

discalimer: the phrase "top chick" is the highest form of accolade possible, and is associated with no sexist or derogatory connotations whatsoever.

okenest:

cheers, and.

 

[Bushwhacker]

I think that 'bushcraft' does need to be marketed because, although I abhor kit talk, equipment is very expensive because it is still (and hopefully won't always be) a niche/specialised market, it's still at an early growth stage and therefore sales figures are low in comparison to other, more marketable hobbies/interests.
Look at what true specialist books are available. For instance; are there any books that specifically cover the topic on, let's say, amanitas? There aren't any and the ones that maybe are (and usually just a university paper) cost a heck of a lot of money because there's little/no demand in the market and it's not worth an author's time to write such a thing if they're to make a living from it.
How many general books are there? Loads, because it's easy to cover the basics such as fire lighting, cooking, trap making, etc and cover a broad base of activities with such a thing, without getting into the scientific depths of the matters which is what we really crave now. We're getting bored of the SAS survival books and the like because we're advancing and yearn more comprehensive knowledge.
So, it's a good thing that we are seeing 'bushcraft' being pushed as a commercial product and in the end, if it succeeds, we will benefit immensely from it.

 

[dean4442]

Bushcraft is just a handy way for me to explain what I like doing rather than saying "I hang around in the woods with an axe and knife lighting fires" that seems weird to some people.
As for poles I have lots of friends some of them happen to be Polish but I don't see them as any different to me, as far as I'm concerned people are just people.
Colin

 

[caliban]

Can we not just give the racist c**p a break? My step father is Polish and he found the OP very funny. He loves Britain but thinks that we should tighten up our immigration policies! The original post is funny, if you can't see the funny side of a person from a highly technologized country traveling scores of miles to find a small patch of woodland, where he or she can sit in the rain in a tunic made out of an old blanket trying to light a fire with bow drill, then you need to seriously have a word with yourself. Bushcraft is funny, it's also cool and a huge amount of harmless fun

 

[Tengu]

Whats godwins law anyway?

 

[Arri]

Whats godwins law anyway?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

 

[Arri]

Can we not just give the racist c**p a break? My step father is Polish and he found the OP very funny. He loves Britain but thinks that we should tighten up our immigration policies! The original post is funny, if you can't see the funny side of a person from a highly technologized country traveling scores of miles to find a small patch of woodland, where he or she can sit in the rain in a tunic made out of an old blanket trying to light a fire with bow drill, then you need to seriously have a word with yourself. Bushcraft is funny, it's also cool and a huge amount of harmless fun

You know, you're right. If you think about it too hard it's kinda funny that we are wiling to torture ourselves like that.

I think it's just genetic, we're surrounded by concrete and false safety so the savage great ape inside us wants out for some inner balance and peace.

I guess it's the same trait, that same great ape inside us, that makes us so passionate about stuff and sometimes we do lose track and behave like apes more than we should.

 

[jonnno]

Meh, everything is marketed these days. Anything that can have a few quid wrung out of it will have businesses that try to create a bit of hype to flog you stuff. Clothing manufacturers are the most blatant where they flog you a jacket telling you it will last a lifetime then the following year try and persuade you to bin it and buy another because it has more zips.

On the campcraft vs bushcraft debate I think Lloyd is partially right. Being able to live in the forest for a weekend does not mean that when the revolution comes you can snipe off out of it and live like a king. However that doesn't mean that bushcraft isn't relevant, fun or useful.

 

[Tadpole]

Snip
The original post is funny, if you can't see the funny side of a person from a highly technologized country traveling scores of miles to find a small patch of woodland, where he or she can sit in the rain in a tunic made out of an old blanket trying to light a fire with bow drill, then you need to seriously have a word with yourself. Bushcraft is funny, it's also cool and a huge amount of harmless fun

When you look at it, all hobbies are the same, wasteful, pointless, fun.

 

[Toddy]

It's a funny thing this bushcraft marketing though; we get accused of being kit junkies, yet we don't buy 'fashion' garments. We do buy, or make, hard wearing, generally sparkproof, clothing and footwear. Our colour range is always kind of neutral, so where Jade or Purple or Dayglo pink is *in* kind of passes us by.
Tools ? well, lot of the time they're bought by personal recommendation, and even the Woodlores aren't advertised in shiny magazines or posters. There are definitely standard classic tools though, Bahco, SFA, zebra, etc.,
Camp kit ? Hammocks for instance, SotP, DD, Hennessay..........hardly widely known names outside certain circles, and they're not guilty of fashion changes. Stainless steel billies, fire grates.....

These are the realities of bushcraft.

Yet *bushcraft* is being used as the descriptive term to push the most appalling load of tatt at times. It's become the new army surplus
There are some choice nuggets in the dross, but finding it can be hard going, and it's embarassing to have folks say, "Oh you'll like this; it's bushcrafty "...........and it's something like camouflage loo roll in a fake fur toy squirrel or a do everything survival knife with a can opener built in to the tip of the blade

Camping ? Hmmm, yes and no. I like my comforts these days, but I know that if needed I could find shelter, make shelter, find water and food, make fire, live very, very simply, and be comfortable. It's a heck of a lot of work though, while a wee bit tarp is an awfully good thing

Off for a walk.

cheers,
Toddy

 

[John Fenna]

I want that loo roll!

 

[Chainsaw]

LOL I do too!! the holder sounds good as well
Oh YES!!!

Cheers,

Alan

 

[Mesquite]

I want that loo roll!

It would go very nicely in the back of your van John

 

[JFW]

keep the loo roll...I'll take the squirrel.

Thanks Mary, coffee now sprayed all over the monitor. Maybe I could use the squirrel for that as well.

Cheers

JFW

 

[oetzi]

Ok, so this is a thread with two topics.
1. Bushcraft
I dont know that much about it, since I am into what I would call "Bushcraft light" = outdoor for the average douche
2. different nationalities and their characteristics
Take any large body of body of people, defined by ethnics, sex, social background, language, whatever, and you will always find the same percentage of ar******s.

 

[johnnytheboy]

LOL, nail on the head, priceless

This gave me a chuckle. From a Song of the Paddle thread discussing merits of campcraft vs bushcraft.

"BUSHCRAFT: Basically a marketing catch word that takes little bits of each of the above and attempts to convince people that survival is fun or that it can be done over a weekend. It could more accurately be described as adventure recreation. While popular with the sort of peson that believes that in the event of a societal collapse they can take their Sweedish axe and carve out a woodland paridise in a stand of 23 trees somewhere in Kent (where they will never be found), and have a badger stirfry cooking and a brew on by tea; the truth is that they will be eaten by two Polish homeless men (who are real survivors) that are currently living in London about 6 days into the nightmare loss of public order. While the word Bushcraft is sometimes used to collectively refer to all the traditional outdoor skills of all the worlds cultures, it still is primarily a business logo. The logo is very good at taking lots of money from people who are interested in doing something resembling camp craft but want a higher status in the "bushcraft" community by being able to show they can light fires by rubbing sticks together. The same fire that will attract the hungry homeless Polish cannibals who wisely cook their victims using powdered Draino and other household chemicles to avoid the tell tale signs of a fire which will attract others."

 

[Blutack]

Oh, you've gone and done it now Fredster!

All us paddlers will end up banned from BCUK at this rate (particularly me, since I have the dubious honour of having posted the opener for this one on SOTP!)

{Hides behind sofa and hopes nobody else notices from now on}

 

[Lardrover]

I find that when I'm at shows with those who want to be offended, I can wander away. You know the sort <A>"would you like a beef or ham sandwich, I made them myself. <B>Ooh, beef please... <A>what's wrong with the ham!..." When a thread goes that way, you end up seeing more people apologising for apologising. I would like to apologise for the last apology.

I don't think the OP had his wooden spoon out and did this as a troll but it looks like this thread has been run over by the outrage bus, dragged under it's wheels still screaming, and is currently on it's way back to the depot. Unless Blakey the Moderator cares to trim the Outrage.

Anyone seen that new Saracasm emoticon symbol, the one that you have to pay for to use. I think an Outrage emoticon is called for, the symbol could be a bus wheel with a broken wheel spoke.