Intellectual betterment.

[JonathanD]

bloody hell but i'm glad i'm thick !

Yeah, well through school I wished and pretended I was. And it was through people just like Maggot who couldn't understand it and picked and picked that I had the worst time of my life and felt I couldn't be myself. Emm was OK because she was pretty. It was only during and after leaving the military that I gained the confidence to go out and be who I am.

 

[mountainm]

Yeah, well through school I wished and pretended I was. And it was through people just like Maggot who couldn't understand it and picked and picked that I had the worst time of my life and felt I couldn't be myself. Emm was OK because she was pretty.

you telling us you aint pretty JD?

 

[Maggot]

You got that right. Anyway. Maggot is not going to let this lie so I found out some paperwork and put a very prolific knife on it that everyone on here knows I only got yesterday, so no copying off the WWW here....

Seems it was the Cattell Scale 3 B. Satisfied? And yeah, I had forgot. It wasn't that important to me personally but was important for my future prospects at the time I was taking them. The lowest score I got was 148 and the highest 152.

Jonathan, thanks for that, there really was no need. As you ask, I am not satisfied no, what were your scores? Or did you manage to get exactly the scores that Mensa use to set their parameters?

Assuming, a score of 148, that clearly shows that you were 7 short of the top 1% surely? That is also only a UK test, it does not show you to be in the top 1% on the entire planet now does it? In fact, it doesn't even show you to be in the top 1% of the UK! Even your best of 152 leaves you 3 short of the top 1% in the UK!

Miyagi, I am not doubting Jonathans background, I'm sure he's a great bloke, just not in the Top 1% of IQs on the planet I'm afraid.

Shall we move on now?

 

[mountainm]

I remember at school getting 100% in my CDT exam. I beat the school "brains" she scored a very respectable 97% but was so upset she wanted her test checked over. I also came top in R.E. despite (or because of) being an atheist - the head of the 6th form christian Soc couldn't believe it, she was visibly upset and challenged me about it - I pointed out the test was on religions, not just the one.

Anyway - that was all a very long time ago and I no longer have any paperwork to prove it.

 

[JonathanD]

you telling us you aint pretty JD?

I was a decent looking skinny short little lad that had no confidence at all at school because I was clever and got bullied for it. Made it worse in my teens when I went from 4ft to 6ft 2 inches within a couple of years and was built like a bean pole. It was only after going to Uni then getting into the military and fiding myself actually needing to use my intelligence to pass every test that my confidence grew and being clever was an asset and not a liability. I'm no model that's for sure at 40.

I punched well above Giant Haystacks weight when I pulled Emma though. It's the military that did that though, not intellect and certainly not looks.

On the mirror side, Emma is good looking, and as lecturer in maths, has found her looks a liability in her profession, although she always has had confidence because of that during her youth, it seems good looking women cannot be clever in the eyes of some people, as this thread is proving.

 

[Maggot]

Yeah, well through school I wished and pretended I was. And it was through people just like Maggot who couldn't understand it and picked and picked that I had the worst time of my life and felt I couldn't be myself. Emm was OK because she was pretty. It was only during and after leaving the military that I gained the confidence to go out and be who I am.

Now, don't start insinuating that I am bringing back nasty childhood bullying memories! If you make a claim on a public forum, be prepared to get challenged.

And I am sure you are pretty on the inside

 

[Maggot]

it seems good looking women cannot be clever in the eyes of some people, as this thread is proving.

You can pack that in as well. I don't care if Emma is a stunner, or has a head like a smugglers rat, it's irrelevant. Don't start dropping in little snidey quips like that. Stay on the subject we are arguing about, not how pretty your missus is or is not, it's completely irrelevant.

 

[billybob0987]

If you make a claim on a public forum, be prepared to get challenged.

i can make a 50 pound note vanish into thin air,

i dont have one on me though, so would need someone to send me one, only works with 50s, but i can try with 2 20s and a 10, i dont mind

 

[Scottishwanderer]

Read Zen and the art of motercycle maintenance by Robert Pirsig.

Will challenge what you think.

 

[JonathanD]

Jonathan, thanks for that, there really was no need. As you ask, I am not satisfied no, what were your scores? Or did you manage to get exactly the scores that Mensa use to set their parameters?

Assuming, a score of 148, that clearly shows that you were 7 short of the top 1% surely? That is also only a UK test, it does not show you to be in the top 1% on the entire planet now does it? In fact, it doesn't even show you to be in the top 1% of the UK! Even your best of 152 leaves you 3 short of the top 1% in the UK!

Miyagi, I am not doubting Jonathans background, I'm sure he's a great bloke, just not in the Top 1% of IQs on the planet I'm afraid.

Shall we move on now?

My apologies, I was wrong, my lowest IQ was 138. Even so, my paperwork from MENSA proves that your grasp of their ratings is flawed and at even that low score, it still rates as higher than 99.6% of the population. I have no idea how they score it either. But it is their score...

 

[JonathanD]

Now, don't start insinuating that I am bringing back nasty childhood bullying memories! If you make a claim on a public forum, be prepared to get challenged.

And I am sure you are pretty on the inside

That was nothing to do with you, although you do seem agitated by people who are considered clever and have challenged everything said by doing nothing more than internet searches. There are things you can't find on Wiki and Google searches alone. And your last sentence tells it all. Passive aggressive is a dreadful trait.

You can pack that in as well. I don't care if Emma is a stunner, or has a head like a smugglers rat, it's irrelevant. Don't start dropping in little snidey quips like that. Stay on the subject we are arguing about, not how pretty your missus is or is not, it's completely irrelevant.

That comment was not aimed at you, there are other people on this thread you know and I was addressing one of them. There are no snide quips on my behalf anywhere on this thread. I have put forward cold solid evidence to your challenges. Don't start diverting blame elsewhere.

 

[Paul_B]

Sorry about my post on card counting. Late to this "discussion". I've done loads of testing in my time. FWIW I also got told in one test I was top 1% but only in UK. IIRC different countries have different averages in IQ even using the same testing method. Also the average changes each year according to what I found out when I researched the topic a few years ago.

Despite having a high IQ I don't rate my intelligence as I am doing a job that anyone with A levels could do. I might have two degrees but they are hardly distinguished. Intelligence does not rely on high IQ as there are so many other factors that determine intelligence. For example EQ. EQ is emotional quotient and its significance is high as it determines whether you can use your IQ efficiently (or at least that is what I remember when I did my basic, online research on IQ and intelligence). To put it simply a high IQ with a low EQ means you might well only be considered average intelligence. Or at least that is how I read the meanings of it.

As far as I go I considered that I was intelligent however I also have had the feeling that I have been losing intelligence from about the age of 18. Thaat might sound daft but did you know that there is some element of age adjustment in the IQ tests?? If they didn't do that then you'd end up losing IQ points at some point in your life. You kind of reach a summit in your intelligence and its all downhill from then!! Sound familiar anyone??

I have this daft theory that my memory started to get full shortly after primary school. Its like a hard drive, there might be space left on there but due to fragmentation its not all useable anymore.

Also intelligence also needs to be used. If you aren't taxing your mind then you will lose capability. Trust me on that.

Also intelligence only comes across if someone can communicate it. I sometimes struggle to get ideas out through conversation and indeed through the written word. I am not a good communicator however I can pick things up quickly and understand things that others do not. When I was on my first degree (final year) I was revising with a mate on the same course. I had to explain the more complex matters to him and he had to explain the easier aspects to me that totally eluded my understanding.

What I am saying in this long winded and poorly explained argument is that IQ is totally irrelevant as it doesn't if you are honest prove anything about you, your capabilities and your worth. Get over it.

BTW I hate, admire, respect and did I say hate your other half JD for being so clever at maths and so quick in thought that you and she says she is. Green with envy!!

BTW the BBC do these mathematical explanations of the natural world every few years. This was not the first one I've known so I didn't watch it.

Also the prof who presented it is a known personality on the public lecture circuit. I know people who went to see him when he did a lecture on a similar topic at the Theatre by the Lake in Keswick. One of those people commented that there were a lot of people who were there totally fascinated and looked like they were fans of the prof. Kind of hero worshipping him. That person also said that it was nothing that he hadn't read about before and wasn't particularly new. Wasn't impressed by him. Wish I could remember what the topic was now.

 

[EmmaD]

Stop engaging with this individual. He is clearly trolling. The username really says it all. Now stop biting.


Talk about role reversal.

 

[Paul_B]

As far as Em being pretty is her avatar really her as it looks like this actress I remember seeing on tv once. Can't remember what programme but that avatar looks familiar.

BTW I don't think this thread is getting anywhere with the intelligence argument. Anyone seen any other good documentaries on mathematics or other topic of a scientific or philosophical area? Afterall some on here want a bit of intellectual betterment too after missing the OP's documentary.

 

[mountainm]

I got frustrated with both Maths and Physics at A-level when the teachers couldn't explain the "whys and where's", only the hows. My brain requires a root understanding, a proof if you will in order to fully grasp a concept and then run with it. Just being told to calcualte something using this technique didn't satisfy that requirement and I quickly became disilusioned when I released my teachers weren't holding out on me, but they simply didn't know.

This culminated in asking my physics teacher how fast gravity was, my physics teacher told me gravity didn't have a speed. I said hypothetically what if I could magic up a new sun in our solar system how long would it take for it's gravity to effect our planet. Not possible he said. But "hypothetically" I said? Instantaniously came the answer. So it's faster than light then I asked?

 

[mountainm]

As far as Em being pretty is her avatar really her as it looks like this actress I remember seeing on tv once. Can't remember what programme but that avatar looks familiar.

BTW I don't think this thread is getting anywhere with the intelligence argument. Anyone seen any other good documentaries on mathematics or other topic of a scientific or philosophical area? Afterall some on here want a bit of intellectual betterment too after missing the OP's documentary.

Read "Fermats Last Theorem"

 

[Retired Member southey]

I have the same IQ as you Jon! How ever mine was on weisca(sp) test at twelve years old haha catch up! Though it was carried out a a dyslexia institute and the findings of which wernt recognised by my school so off to bottom set for being disruptive! ME! Can you belive it! Disruptive? I ask you.

 

[EmmaD]

As far as Em being pretty is her avatar really her as it looks like this actress I remember seeing on tv once. Can't remember what programme but that avatar looks familiar.

BTW I don't think this thread is getting anywhere with the intelligence argument. Anyone seen any other good documentaries on mathematics or other topic of a scientific or philosophical area? Afterall some on here want a bit of intellectual betterment too after missing the OP's documentary.

Hey that is me taken ten years ago at Olan Mills. It makes me look good so I used it. There are plenty more of me on here and they do not look anywhere near as good.

 

[billybob0987]

my science teacher at school told us once that before science was freed from religious control people believe that they saw using long tenticle type things that came out from the bridge of your nose, mind you he also looked like he could be the cousin of the doctor from back to the future and taught us how to make paint bombs, so questionable judgement really

 

[JonathanD]

I have the same IQ as you Jon! How ever mine was on weisca(sp) test at twelve years old haha catch up! Though it was carried out a a dyslexia institute and the findings of which wernt recognised by my school so off to bottom set for being disruptive! ME! Can you belive it! Disruptive? I ask you.

Dude, I told you before we are gods amongst men. I just need that Hellion to make everything complete.