Home Office announces plans for Offensive Weapons Bill

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R.Lewis

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The ban of sulphuric acid, how is that likely to work regarding lead acid batteries? I would also like to know the definition of Zombie knife, it could be an awfully broad term.
 

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Sounds like a right curate's egg, doesn't it ?
Bad enough in parts to taint the whole though.

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R.Lewis

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I am alsoalso concerned about the redefining of flick knives. It could have the potential to make Svord Peasant type knives illegal if a flick knife gets defined as a knife openable in one hand.
 

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Poorly thought out legislation that clearly has not taken into account their consultation.

Many small crafts businesses are going to struggle.

It will be interesting to see how this legislation is introduced in practice.

No effect on buying cheap imports. How are they going define Zombie Knives etc.
 

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This is the bit from the press release that worries me:

“Other measures which the Home Office intends to bring forward within weeks include - Stopping knives being sent to residential addresses after they are bought online”.

Preper............ :(
 

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Wonder if they plan to restrict kitchen knifes too?
Because if ‘other’ knifes become hard to get, the crim will just switch to a kitchen knife.

Or, because it is cooler, to a chainsaw chain.

It is a situation the state can not win.
 
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Kepis

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This is the bit from the press release that worries me:

“Other measures which the Home Office intends to bring forward within weeks include - Stopping knives being sent to residential addresses after they are bought online”.

Preper............ :(
Dont see a problem with that tbh, its a mild inconvenience to have to go to a Post Office with your driving licence or passport to collect it in person, after all, before the internet, you had to go to a shop to buy one anyway, at least they do not appear to have banned the online sales, just delivery to a residential address, time will tell when the full legislation is published, at the moment, its just a statement from the Home Office with no particular detail.
 

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Wonder if they plan to restrict kitchen knifes too?
Because if ‘other’ knifes become hard to get, the crim will just switch to a kitchen knife.

Or, because it is cooler, to a chainsaw chain.

It is a situation the state can not win.
I've always assumed that the vast majority of knife crime is carried out with kitchen knives already, whenever the police show pictures from weapons seizures it's usually: one machete, two sharpened screwdrivers, a homemade knuckleduster, and Sabatier's back catalogue... I haven't seen any figures about the types of weapons used in recorded knife crime though so I'm just guessing really.

Kitchen knives are already restricted, you can't carry them in public and you have to be over 18 to buy them.
 
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The original October 2017 consultation documents (defining some of the criteria and implications) can be seen here :

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/offensive-and-dangerous-weapons-new-legislation

Updating the definition of a flick knife
England, Wales and Scotland The current definition of flick knives in the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959 is outdated and refers to the mechanism that activates the blade being in the handle. We will delete the reference to the switch blade mechanism being in the handle, as manufacturers now place the mechanism in a part of the knife that can be argued is part of the blade. This means the prohibition on the sale, manufacture and importing of flick knives cannot be circumvented through changes in their design.
 

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The original October 2017 consultation documents (defining some of the criteria and implications) can be seen here :

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/offensive-and-dangerous-weapons-new-legislation

Updating the definition of a flick knife
England, Wales and Scotland The current definition of flick knives in the Restriction of Offensive Weapons Act 1959 is outdated and refers to the mechanism that activates the blade being in the handle. We will delete the reference to the switch blade mechanism being in the handle, as manufacturers now place the mechanism in a part of the knife that can be argued is part of the blade. This means the prohibition on the sale, manufacture and importing of flick knives cannot be circumvented through changes in their design.
Guessing they are aiming that at assisted openers. Never did figure out why flick and assisted openers were more dangerous. Other than the chance of it opening in your pocket!
 

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Guessing they are aiming that at assisted openers. Never did figure out why flick and assisted openers were more dangerous. Other than the chance of it opening in your pocket!
“manufacturers now place the mechanism in a part of the knife that can be argued is part of the blade”.

My guess is that covers flippers.
 

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“manufacturers now place the mechanism in a part of the knife that can be argued is part of the blade”.

My guess is that covers flippers.
I hope not as that might include my Viper DAN sheepsfoot.
It has a halfway detente, so whilst technically it can be opened one handed in practice it is far easier two handed.
It's a lovely knife and a very handy slicer. I don't often open it in public as it might strike some as too aggressive, but in reality with the sheepsfoot blade it'd be useless as a stabbing weapon.

I abhor the idea of big brother style state intervention but at this point I think I'd prefer some sort of licensing system than what it looks like we're going to get...
 

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I hope not as that might include my Viper DAN sheepsfoot.
It has a halfway detente, so whilst technically it can be opened one handed in practice it is far easier two handed.
It's a lovely knife and a very handy slicer. I don't often open it in public as it might strike some as too aggressive, but in reality with the sheepsfoot blade it'd be useless as a stabbing weapon.

I abhor the idea of big brother style state intervention but at this point I think I'd prefer some sort of licensing system than what it looks like we're going to get...
I think it has to be. No manufacturer is concealing springs within the actual blade. In fact, springs aren’t mentioned at all, it’s quite cleverly worded.
 

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Dont see a problem with that tbh, its a mild inconvenience to have to go to a Post Office with your driving licence or passport to collect it in person, after all, before the internet, you had to go to a shop to buy one anyway, at least they do not appear to have banned the online sales, just delivery to a residential address, time will tell when the full legislation is published, at the moment, its just a statement from the Home Office with no particular detail.
That's quite a practical way of looking at it I guess. Maybe not perfect for everyone but nothing is.
 

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To be classified as a Zoombie killer, does it have to satisfy all three in the description of?
Sharp edge and serrated edge and picture or text
Thinking if they remove the text and pictures it is suddenly not that specific knife?
 

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I think it has to be. No manufacturer is concealing springs within the actual blade. In fact, springs aren’t mentioned at all, it’s quite cleverly worded.
As I’ve said elsewhere Rich, I wouldn’t mind betting this superficial, cynical ploy and attempt at a vote winning “look, we’ve done something” for the benefit of the querulous and gullible sheeple, will also include one-handed openers too. As I look into my tea leaves, I foresee more cheap Spydies for sale than diesel cars.
Anyone want my B.B. Urban in exchange for a TBS Boar EDC folder??? :)