Fight!! Fight !!

[Sleepy Weasel]

You don't often see Ray going 'This is an extremely dangerous bit of my journey to safety(hotel) I'm gonna have to cross this busy road, risking my very life doing so. But first I have to take off all my clothes....."

I like Ray, he's very informative and knowledgeable. You get the impression that he's very passionate about being outdoors and gets a real sense of enjoyment being out in the elements

I like Bear, in the same way I like other entertainers, he makes me laugh. You get the impression that he can't wait to get out there and grab nature by the b@lls and squeeze. One day, Nature will do the same to him.

RM programs? Watch, enjoy, learn

BG programs? Watch, laugh!

 

[gorilla]

when i said Ray was boring, i don't mean the content of the show - i have all his series' on my computer, and love watching them. the boring was more in reference to his deadpan style - watch a Nigel Mansell interview and you'll see what i mean
i'll be watching 'Walkabout', but like fishy, i wish he'd do something in the uk for once
BG - take or leave him - i don't care enough to get angry about it

 

[pothunter]

Artists Rifles, in his case what kind of artist is that then.

Regarding commitment level to 21&23 SAS its was one evening a week and every weekend for the first three months I think, and one evening a week and one weekend per month thereafter. I personally have a lot of respect for those that are prepared to give up so much of their own time and have a very good chance of having regular deployments.

Pothunter.

 

[Silverback]

I personally would prefer to be stranded with Bear Ar5e - he is leaner than Raymondo and probably makes better eating

 

[Wallenstein]

More commentary here:
http://blogs.guardian.co.uk/tv/2008/05/whos_harder_bear_or_ray.html

 

[littlebiglane]

Not that Ray's programmes are without moments of humour.

I must admit having a little chuckle - as The Perfectionist - deviates from his usual predictable self (and gawd we love 'im for it!):

Ray lost his paddle whilst canoe-ing
Ray burns his hand on a billy can over a fire
Ray falls through a snow drift when he steps off his skidoo
Ray emotionally sheds a tear when revisiting some tribespeople in Africa

 

[VirusKiller]

I've got a small peice dedicated to Bear Grylls here.

I heard the story about the bloke in the bear suit on my Woodlander course and thought it might be apocryphal...

 

[High on Hex]

Interesting that RM comes out with this just as his new show is about to start. Has he signed up Max Clifford as publicist or something?

 

[deeps]

- Bear really annoys me sometimes.. Particularly the way he calls himself Bear. And his son Marmaduke. And his programs.

QUOTE]

..and he is not even a real Bear....

 

[demographic]

I enjoy watching Ray Mears but I am sorry for anyone who may be offended by this next comment but I will make it anyway.

Bear is a complete and utter tool, his programmes are so obviously staged that its pathetic, I can't stand to watch the goon and would rather be stabbed in the eye with a thistle.

There, I've said it, slaps on the wrist awaited for being nasty to the poor (but grossly overpaid when you consider his advice) chap.

 

[rancid badger]

I think they both have there place and there value. RM for the more buschcraft and practical and BG for the entertainment and comic aspect.

I am sure BG is a competent individual considering his background but he has opted for the money making and shock side of the media.

Ultimately:
If you want to learn: RM's
If you want to laugh, shake your head muttering and eventually, shout at the TV:BG!!

Hah! poetry!!...get it? "shout at the TV:BG" see?

see ya!
R.B.

 

[stijnb]

how do you people think about less throut (i'd rather eat more throut), he claims to don't have a camera crew.

I think he's pretty good, much better then bear, it is hard to compare with ray becouse survival and bushcraft are completely different(i like bushcraft alot more).

 

[Matt Weir]

how do you people think about less throut (i'd rather eat more throut), he claims to don't have a camera crew.

I think he's pretty good, much better then bear, it is hard to compare with ray becouse survival and bushcraft are completely different(i like bushcraft alot more).

Les Stroud is a good un. I think BG has tried to emulate Les' style but in a quick n nasty way. RM is a different world from all as far as I'm concerned.

 

[Nightwalker]

I noticed when Ray Mears featured on Radio 1 a couple of days ago Edith's questions were all survival this survival that, "what would you do in this situation" etc. Its obvious that the mainstream media and a lot of the public have difficulty in understanding any differences between Bushcraft and survival. They honestly treated him as if he was purely a survival-guy and as a result he'd pass a lot of comments off comically. Yes he has done a lot of survival techniques and methods, but im sure he's done a lot more on craft, education in history and nature, cooking and basically non-vital/woodsman stuff, as he would put it... learning to understand and become at ease with nature and feel comfortable in your natural environment. Why is it that so much of the public have difficulty understanding that Bushcraft dosen't have to be mostly survival. :yikes:

 

[marshall4771]

At the end of the day Ray is better but I'd rather watch BG than the other pap that is shown on the box these days ! it does have entertainment value and we all seem to watch it.

 

[Dunelm]

Why is it that so much of the public have difficulty understanding that Bushcraft dosen't have to be mostly survival. :yikes:

Because "the public" is thick.

 

[reddeath]

really lads i dont see the big deal - most of us tend to understand the difference between reality and the showman stuff - surely BG's stuff is just for the craic, i mean if you cant tell the difference between living at one with your surroundings and just doing what you have to to get the hell outta there then maybe these programmes arent for you - it is only tv after all

think about all the shows we watch even down to soaps that have people on seat edges - will Den come back again etc etc, here you have a guy about to decend a slipperry rock face on a waterfall with a vine - how more seat edge entertaining can it get - will he wont he fall. oh you mean you were all taking notes on his technique!! ha ha ha ha

i once learned a phrase - moaning is like sitting on a rocking chair - it passes the time but never gets you anywhere

i shall now get my coat...

 

[pothunter]

Another reason for watching might be that one day GB will come to grief and we would not want to miss it.

Reddeath, where did you hang the coats.....

 

[Mike B]

really lads i dont see the big deal - most of us tend to understand the difference between reality and the showman stuff - surely BG's stuff is just for the craic, i mean if you cant tell the difference between living at one with your surroundings and just doing what you have to to get the hell outta there then maybe these programmes arent for you - it is only tv after all

think about all the shows we watch even down to soaps that have people on seat edges - will Den come back again etc etc, here you have a guy about to decend a slipperry rock face on a waterfall with a vine - how more seat edge entertaining can it get - will he wont he fall. oh you mean you were all taking notes on his technique!! ha ha ha ha

i once learned a phrase - moaning is like sitting on a rocking chair - it passes the time but never gets you anywhere

i shall now get my coat...

Well I wasn't going to post on this thread as I thought it had all got a bit silly (my dad can have your dad attitude),but this post has my vote well done mate.
Mike B...

 

[spamel]

Say what you want about the Bear, and I could spend quite some time on the subject, I am a bit surprised at Ray. He doesn't come across like he is portrayed in the newspaper article and so close to his new series seems like he is trying to get the viewer figures up before the series starts! Come on Ray, no need to use those sort of tactics, your natural ability in front of the camera should be enough, and make sure you do a UK based series next time!