It's all fun and games being a parent of a scout, some of us do a lot more than others though
A fact of which i am well aware.
Cadets are funded to the tune of millions though.
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A fact of which i am well aware.
Cadets are funded to the tune of millions though.
The site in this case was a regular stop for the leaders, one uses it for taking other groups to as well as scouts, so he at least would have known that there was no need for any more than perhaps a litre.
To promote and encourage is usually the best way forward I believe, especially for those who are new to these things.
Fortunately I can help my daughter with the available choices, others depend on the ones who are meant to be teaching them the right way to do it.
Scots_Charles_River
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I took kids out on a one night canoe trip. As the parents came to drop off their kids, I had to tell them to take stuff back. Amazing how much kit they wanted to take.
I have tried three times to post a reply...Getting annoyed with it now so won't bother
See if this works.
Cadets don't get millions though, cadets go out and do carparking at local events and stewarding and bucket collections to get the money "they" need, local kit is paid from money collected at these events and is used for such things as rucksacks, cookers and fuel, kip mats, two way radios etc etc, if only the kids got a cut of the millions to spend on such things.
Staff only get paid for qualifying activities, and then only UPTO 28 days a year, many don't get much more than a week, and usually because they lose pay from their normal job.
I dread to think how many £1000's I spent out and never saw again in my years as a member of staff, but it is worth it when you get an occasional "thank-you" a year or two down the line from an ex cadet.
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As I said, the organisation might get millions, the cadets get very little. That is probably why there are only 40,000 members in 1000 Air cadet units
[FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold][FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold]The Air Cadets – Facts and Figures:
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold][FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold][/FONT][/FONT]Cadets
ATC enrolled cadets – 34,309 at 928 squadrons and 56
detached flights.
http://www.aircadet.info/specialists/opportunities/AirCadetsAnnualReport.pdf
It's a good debate, but going way off the point of the original post.
CCF (RAF) cadets – 9,534 at 191 Sections in schools.
Total air cadets – 43,843
Volunteer Staff
Volunteer Reserve Officers – 3,314
Adult Warrant Officers and Sergeants – 1,315
Band Adult Warrant Officers – 42
Chaplains – 559
Civilian Instructors - 4,138
Civilian Gliding Instructors - 392
Total Adult Staff - 9,760
Civilian Committee Members - circa 5,000
[FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold][FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold]The Air Cadets – Facts and Figures:
[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold][FONT=FuturaMdBT,Bold][/FONT][/FONT]Cadets
ATC enrolled cadets – 34,309 at 928 squadrons and 56
detached flights.
http://www.aircadet.info/specialists/opportunities/AirCadetsAnnualReport.pdf
It's a good debate, but going way off the point of the original post.
CCF (RAF) cadets – 9,534 at 191 Sections in schools.
Total air cadets – 43,843
Volunteer Staff
Volunteer Reserve Officers – 3,314
Adult Warrant Officers and Sergeants – 1,315
Band Adult Warrant Officers – 42
Chaplains – 559
Civilian Instructors - 4,138
Civilian Gliding Instructors - 392
Total Adult Staff - 9,760
Civilian Committee Members - circa 5,000
BOD
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
I think there are two ways to approach the matter
A. advise the kid that the weight really should be reduced and which items could be left behind - if they agree help them
B. If they don't agree and it appears that the kid is fixated on all that kit let them carry it - and a valuable lesson will have been learnt even if the kid won't admit it.
A. advise the kid that the weight really should be reduced and which items could be left behind - if they agree help them
B. If they don't agree and it appears that the kid is fixated on all that kit let them carry it - and a valuable lesson will have been learnt even if the kid won't admit it.
Ah but Scouting gets no money from the government and we have a few more members.
Total youth membership in the UK is 390,929.
Total youth membership in the UK is 390,929.
when i was a young army cadet (i know im still young at 24, compared to most on here) i weighed about the same and carried about the same weight in kit on an exped on salisbury plains. I SUFFERED! however i had been advised to drop some kit as it wasnt all necessary. i took it any way and learnt then and there that taking all the kit i might need or could need if this and that were to happen wasnt the answer when with a large group. now i take minimal kit but essentials and if i can get away with the odd comfortable extra. i say let them learn the hard way but be prepared to take some of the load yourself
As stated previously, the "Cadets" like the "Scouts" and the "Parent organisation" are different subject matters, if "A cadet" needs equipment to do an expedition he either supplies his own or his/her unit does fund raising events to raise the necessary funds, and so does "A Scout".
On a training Expedition If a supervising adult goes along with the "Cadet" he is most likely to self-fund, if a "Scout leader" goes along (with the particular unit I have contact with) the cost he initiates to do the Expedition for each participant is quite likely to be adjusted to cover his costs as well as the participant.
For example, if each participant would cost £20 to do the expedition and the accompanying adult is going along he would add a sum to each member to cover his outgoings, whether that is for his meals or his site fees. So he might add £5 to each member to cover it.
It might not be the case with every unit, but I am only speaking from my experiences.
As for “Parent unit” funding, I would really like to see Scouting get government funding for certain aspects. My wife would be real happy with a cut of £26,000 a year to run her unit, sadly that will never happen, the funding is held at greater heights than hers.
With cadet forces funding the budget usually gets cut year on year, and they are expected to show results to their sponsors with examinations/attendance figures etc, I am not aware of the Scouts needing to do such things and the increase in costs are often passed on to the individual members with subscription cost increasing etc.
Going back to the original point raised.
Good guidance and leadership can make all the difference to the enjoyment a youngster gets form doing these activities, If a leader thinks that a youngster is OK with 30% of bodyweight on their back for a first trip then that is not good leadership “IMO”
It is a difficult situation at all levels sometimes, generally all groups do well with what they have, but there is always room for improvement.
Anyone who works with youngsters deserves a medal for bravery, :You_Rock_
Scots_Charles_River
Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Yes, and a rucksac issued (50ltrs)
They basically had too much crisps, sweets, 6 pack of irn bru etc. One had two sleeping bags and two lidl fleece blankets.......
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