Essential life saving skills.

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I do think we have dropped well short of teaching basic health and hygiene in this country - I am always amazed at how few people understand food contamination, air-borne infections, etc. This cuts both ways, people end up throwing good food away because they just go by the 'use by date', but get ill because they don't keep raw and cooked separate; they also end up ill because 'staying warm inside keeps colds away'!
 
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I do think we have dropped well short of teaching basic health and hygiene in this country - I am always amazed at how few people understand food contamination, air-borne infections, etc. This cuts both ways, people end up throwing good food away because they just go by the 'use by date', but get ill because they don't keep raw and cooked separate; they also end up ill because 'staying warm inside keeps colds away'!
This comes back to the point I think TeeDee has missed, with respect. It is not about the specifics, the first is managing Life. The key life skills are how to live - health, hygeine, home economics/management, societal skills. (How to avoid ending up arguing to the point of a punch-up might be a life saving skill).
Plus essentially, awareness in a much wider context, which leads to being able to assess something in a much calmer manner.
Not to live your life in fear, but be able to recognise risks sensibly, and what other skills for your own lifestyle might be beneficial (the traffic lights mentioned). If you live an urban life with no especially risky pursuits, then the risk of needing to learn to swim, tie a bowline, etc are virtually nil. Even first aid is debatable, the actual need for it is very rare, and by that time, it is mostly forgotten or outdated.
 
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Whilst I am enjoying the mental aspect contributions , Can I please try to veer this more back to more specific task list?

CPR
Recovery Position
Abdominal Thrust
Big Bleeds
Drown proofing/Fast water training
Tying a Bowline
Fire Triangle Understanding / How to light a fire



Anymore for anymore.
Cold water shock - Brendon Prince is pushing education about it into schools but tons to do.
 
This comes back to the point I think TeeDee has missed, with respect. It is not about the specifics, the first is managing Life. The key life skills are how to live - health, hygeine, home economics/management, societal skills. (How to avoid ending up arguing to the point of a punch-up might be a life saving skill).
Plus essentially, awareness in a much wider context, which leads to being able to assess something in a much calmer manner.
Not to live your life in fear, but be able to recognise risks sensibly, and what other skills for your own lifestyle might be beneficial (the traffic lights mentioned). If you live an urban life with no especially risky pursuits, then the risk of needing to learn to swim, tie a bowline, etc are virtually nil. Even first aid is debatable, the actual need for it is very rare, and by that time, it is mostly forgotten or outdated.
Terribly big of you don't you think ?? Considering it's me posing the question ? You've covered alot if topics , big topics , in your reply that that would no doubt under some longitudinal study no doubt support in some way a more holistic rounded and generally far larger consideration to " life saving skills " ,- but as I believe I've made somewhat clear and gently tried to steer the post back on track I'm more interested in what easy to teach , ubiquitous , triaged and higher tier selected specific skills would be better gained in a short term time frame as opposed to a far larger somewhat more subjective and interpretive formulation of ideas relating to a very broad range of mixed topics. So , moving aside such hubris , I dont believe I've " missed " anything.
 
Essential life saving skills syllabus. .

What skills or knowledge would you say are the most important life saving skills - either your own life or someone elses should be taught on a very limited syllabus list of teaching ?

So these skills - should be the absolute essential , rather than learning many variations of a theme.
As an example of what I mean. Knowing how to tie a bowline around yourself maybe the one knot you/we should all know without it being having to explained or shown to us in a stressful scenario -- all the other knots are great to learn , but the Bowline is one of the most prime for keeping life alive.

Applying the same thing to First Aid.
I would say ( happy for someone to add / debate or suggest something different ) that for the most important aspects of life saving skills learning how to apply CPR , Abdominal thrust ( Heimlich ) and applying pressure to big bleed points.
These over less important 'big ticket' skills.

So not just limited to Knots and First Aid , what else would make the list to make sure people know how to apply/demonstrate before they do anything else? This could be as applicable to a remote expedition or a general physical preparedness type teaching module.
https://www.wikihow.com/Perform-the-Heimlich-Maneuver-on-Yoursel. this is pretty useful and prompted me to revise x
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend, but I thought you had raised it as a discussional the same as your other thread. Others had taken it into a wider viewpoint. Specific teachable skillsets vary so widely depending on interests and lifestyle, you'd be unlikely to get consensus even for first aid.
e.g. arguably a likely driving scenario is a motorcyle accident, but BikerDown etc teach relevant specifics, and a Jo Public trying to help could do a lot of serious harm. High Street incidents are again totally different.
CPR advice seems to keep changing, so does big bleeds.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend, but I thought you had raised it as a discussional the same as your other thread. Others had taken it into a wider viewpoint. Specific teachable skillsets vary so widely depending on interests and lifestyle, you'd be unlikely to get consensus even for first aid.
e.g. arguably a likely driving scenario is a motorcyle accident, but BikerDown etc teach relevant specifics, and a Jo Public trying to help could do a lot of serious harm. High Street incidents are again totally different.
CPR advice seems to keep changing, so does big bleeds.
My public apology Falstaff. ( As opposed to apologising privately ) - I bit and you got the brunt of it somewhat.
I know your post was intented to be useful. Once again - my apologies.

The reason I'm asking these questions is I'm putting a combative ( H-2-H ) type training schedule and wanted to include some more specific easy to teach in a classroom and get covered skills to make students more , well rounded and durable and give some skills that are critical and essential. Triaged if you will. Hence why the longer term stuff doesn't really assist.


Again apologies - I'm not sure what the Latin is but certain people here are certainly gripping my **** at the moment.

Time for an extended break I think. Take care.
 
Sorry, I didn't mean to offend, but I thought you had raised it as a discussional the same as your other thread. Others had taken it into a wider viewpoint. Specific teachable skillsets vary so widely depending on interests and lifestyle, you'd be unlikely to get consensus even for first aid.
e.g. arguably a likely driving scenario is a motorcyle accident, but BikerDown etc teach relevant specifics, and a Jo Public trying to help could do a lot of serious harm. High Street incidents are again totally different.
CPR advice seems to keep changing, so does big bleeds.
I don’t think it does need to vary too much - blood coming out, blood going round, breathing. Call for help and wait. Be able to follow instructions with a level head.
 
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The reason I'm asking these questions is I'm putting a combative ( H-2-H ) type training schedule and wanted to include some more specific easy to teach in a classroom and get covered skills to make students more , well rounded and durable and give some skills that are critical and essential.
The most critical one is thinking, assessing the situation and only after some thought take the action. That is difficult to teach and takes some time. There are cases when reflexive action is necessary but so far I at least have avoided those.
 
I suppose, to put this in context, we should carry out risk assessment for the causes of death. Out of the ten most frequent causes of death in the UK, accidental causes are tenth.

The most frequent causes of accidental deaths in the UK occur in the home and involve preventable circumstances. Here are the leading causes:

  1. Falls: Responsible for almost half of all accidental deaths (46%), especially among the elderly
  2. Poisonings: Account for about 26% of accidental deaths, with substances like drugs and chemicals often being involved
  3. Road Traffic Accidents: Contribute to 7% of accidental deaths.
  4. Drowning: Includes accidental drowning incidents in pools, open water, and other aquatic environments.
  5. Fire-Related Incidents: Fatalities from burns and smoke inhalation are also significant contributors
  6. Choking: Accidents involving choking on food or other objects, particularly among children and older adults
  7. Exposure to Mechanical Forces: Injuries caused by crushing, striking, or machinery are frequent in industrial settings
  8. Suffocation: Often linked to incidents with infants, such as unsafe sleeping environments or strangulation.
  9. Exposure to Dangerous Substances: Includes accidents involving hazardous chemicals or gases
  10. Sports and Recreational Accidents: Injuries or fatalities resulting from activities like cycling, skiing, or contact sports.
We can't train to cope with many of these, but perhaps we can train to avoid most. It is interesting to note that death caused by violent attack does not appear in the list at all (i.e. it is much more rare than any accidental cause).
 
@TeeDee, Thank you for the apology, I didn't expect it, and it takes someone of character to be able to put that in print. For a specific training course then yes, you do indeed need specifics and I did not recognise that, and maybe should have. I don't know what combatative H-2-H is ?
If you can explain maybe we can offer something a bit more focussed. I'm happy to try if I can.
 
I suppose, to put this in context, we should carry out risk assessment for the causes of death. Out of the ten most frequent causes of death in the UK, accidental causes are tenth.

The most frequent causes of accidental deaths in the UK occur in the home and involve preventable circumstances. Here are the leading causes:

  1. Falls: Responsible for almost half of all accidental deaths (46%), especially among the elderly
  2. Poisonings: Account for about 26% of accidental deaths, with substances like drugs and chemicals often being involved
  3. Road Traffic Accidents: Contribute to 7% of accidental deaths.
  4. Drowning: Includes accidental drowning incidents in pools, open water, and other aquatic environments.
  5. Fire-Related Incidents: Fatalities from burns and smoke inhalation are also significant contributors
  6. Choking: Accidents involving choking on food or other objects, particularly among children and older adults
  7. Exposure to Mechanical Forces: Injuries caused by crushing, striking, or machinery are frequent in industrial settings
  8. Suffocation: Often linked to incidents with infants, such as unsafe sleeping environments or strangulation.
  9. Exposure to Dangerous Substances: Includes accidents involving hazardous chemicals or gases
  10. Sports and Recreational Accidents: Injuries or fatalities resulting from activities like cycling, skiing, or contact sports.
We can't train to cope with many of these, but perhaps we can train to avoid most. It is interesting to note that death caused by violent attack does not appear in the list at all (i.e. it is much more rare than any accidental cause).

Maybe more relevant is to filter this through which deaths could have been avoided easily by a means of "self rescue" and follow a persons preference for risk seeking behaviour.

1. Could be summed up by don't be a "Richard" near tall things.
And for every year over 50 re-evaluate what you consider to be a 'tall' thing.
If you are tempted to be a "Richard" - know how to tie yourself on or rappel off.
They should give lessons in old peoples nursing homes to cover this.

2. Poisonings - I'm unlikely to develop a sudden moreish penchant for sampling the worlds smorgasbord for a buffet of the worlds finest class A offerings or developing a cosplay itch to become period accurate milliners apprentice and develop Erethism.
Whilst I like the idea of a medieval food taster to follow me around especially for nights out or visiting exotic "cut-my-own-throat-mr-dibbler" foreign food stands I can't see it being something I have a budget for. This may change if a Lottery win is on the Horizon.

3. Related possible to Point 1 , Height/Gravity and Inertia/Speed being somewhat interchangeable variables in the eternal question of ' Just how much of a flesh filled sack of water am I? " Vs tarmac and sharp metal.
Don't be a Richard at speed. Vertically OR Horizontally.
( Diagonal travel is somewhat 'safe' hence the creation of Wing suits )

4. Water. Avoid. Unless a fish. or Amphibian. Chimps for reasons don't seem to like water. Read between the lines.

Rayne 1562 ;-"Water is bynding and stopping of nature, water is a very good seruaunt, but it is a cruell mayster."

5. Don't play with Matches.

George Washington 1902 " Like fire, it is a dangerous servant, and a fearful master; never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action.” - potential Plagiarism alert.

6. Choking. Don't talk whilst eating ( rude ) - Eat smaller mouthfuls ( You have time - savour the flavour ) - Only eat with friends ( social ) - If you must choke - Make sure its consensual

7. Factory work was so last century. H&S police should be able to advise more specifically.

8. Rule of 3 - We need Air. Until someone finds a way to tax it. Then it will become and optional living preference tax.

9. Don't be a Richard with bottles and fluids that have many coloured warning signs.
Like modern day snakes and insects the bright colours and interesting markings are there for a reason.

10 Ahhh.. Darwin awards for some.. You roll the dice. You take your chances..
 
I do think we have dropped well short of teaching basic health and hygiene in this country - I am always amazed at how few people understand food contamination, air-borne infections, etc. This cuts both ways, people end up throwing good food away because they just go by the 'use by date', but get ill because they don't keep raw and cooked separate; they also end up ill because 'staying warm inside keeps colds away'!

Agree. Tied to looking after yourself if possible before calling for aid and/or recognising the difference between discomfort and serious "oh s**t" situation,

I would also add that we often forget there's a small section of society in which a high level of casual violence is normalized. Learning how to recognise and avoid is rather more useful than any "self defense" (possibly except for running away) ever be.

GC
 
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Rat onna stick for starter perhaps, we’re building TeeDee quite the meal.

Free range Rat is acceptable.

Your battery raised inner city Hi-speed Rattus Norvegicus you can keep.
I find it somewhat repeats on me.
 

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