Climate Change & Survival.
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I think we should only discuss bush craft on this forum. I once made the mistake of engaging in controversy on here. I wont be doing it again. One does not go to the photography club to discuss fishing. Ho hum.
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Yep, population is a problem. We are about to see a human population crash. Either caused by extreme heat or failed harvest caused by extreme heat.
And what agenda might that be. I here people say this alot. Alluding to an agenda but then not providing any evidence.
Me I'm a prepper?
Good luck cooking food surrounded by hungry neighbours.
The safest way to survive this crisis is to teach the community around you about the crisis we are facing.
You might get away with survival for a few months, but once people see you are not malnourished you won't have a chance.
This is how the looming population crash starts.
www.theguardian.com
The summer food went weird: searing heat reshapes US food production
From wilting wheat to stressed pollinators, US farmers and fishermen see unexpected climate effects
www.theguardian.com
good point. I wasnt going to expand because that wasnt the main point I was making but since you mention it. I am involved in a food growing and foraging collective with resources and knowledge . The idea is to welcome, feed and educate one and all should the need arise. And as I said I once got into a controversy on here which got quite heated. I am here to learn about and share my knowledge of bush craft and not to get involved in topics that should be discussed else where. x
Good answer! I do the same through the Climate Safe Villages Network as well as being involved in a food sharing hub with other allotments and gardeners we don't call it prepping but pretty much everyone gets the climate thing.
I'm not trying to draw you into a fight
Like I said earlier I was interested in how badly treated the OP was and the general behaviour toward them. I mean would the talk like that face to face? Of course not.
Maybe, just maybe this is when the world (or parts of it) learn to share.
There is plenty of food available, we need the will to organise.
(I used to do work for the GTZ Transport Operation for Refugees and the Ethiopian Disaster Prevention and Preparedness Commission among others.
They maintain that there is rarely a famine in a democracy.)
You know how mankind survives ? how the population growth has become feasible ?
We farm.
Nowadays we farm crops from all over the world, yet we rely on very few staples.
Maybe we just need to farm more, be more local about it, be more adaptable in our diet.
We farm.
Nowadays we farm crops from all over the world, yet we rely on very few staples.
Maybe we just need to farm more, be more local about it, be more adaptable in our diet.
While there are rarely famines in industrialised countries, we are actually in an extra ordinary situation of our own making.
1stly currently there is approximately 420ppm CO2 in the atmosphere, but today's global temperature of 1.2° C above 1850 doe not represent those emissions the climate is in catch up. I posted Dr. James E Hansens peer reviewed paper on Glaobal Warming in the Pipeline for Earth earlier, but here is the link.
It's a sobering read.
Hansen, 82, formerly of NASA Jet propulsion lab, physicist & climate scientist. He originally sounded the alarm in 1980. He is one of the world's brilliant scientists.
The proble that the global food system faces currently is runaway heating and the impactnon grain germination. We have a global flood economy dependent on global transport. But most importantly this global civilisation is dependent on a climate niche which is quickly getting too hot.
Couple this with Pluvial rain storms. A heated atmosphere means storms are super charged, they carry more moisture,they bring more rain. Storms depositing the equivalent of a years worth of rain in 24 hours. Pluvial means it causes damage to surface/soil structure. Pluvial rain can wash crops away.
The issues we face with climate change are multiple shocks, one after another or several at once.
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1stly currently there is approximately 420ppm CO2 in the atmosphere, but today's global temperature of 1.2° C above 1850 doe not represent those emissions the climate is in catch up. I posted Dr. James E Hansens peer reviewed paper on Glaobal Warming in the Pipeline for Earth earlier, but here is the link.
It's a sobering read.
Hansen, 82, formerly of NASA Jet propulsion lab, physicist & climate scientist. He originally sounded the alarm in 1980. He is one of the world's brilliant scientists.
The proble that the global food system faces currently is runaway heating and the impactnon grain germination. We have a global flood economy dependent on global transport. But most importantly this global civilisation is dependent on a climate niche which is quickly getting too hot.
Couple this with Pluvial rain storms. A heated atmosphere means storms are super charged, they carry more moisture,they bring more rain. Storms depositing the equivalent of a years worth of rain in 24 hours. Pluvial means it causes damage to surface/soil structure. Pluvial rain can wash crops away.
The issues we face with climate change are multiple shocks, one after another or several at once.
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We farm within a climate niche. We no longer have that niche.
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Global Climate Change Impact on Crops Expected Within 10 Years, NASA Study Finds – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Climate change may affect the production of maize (corn) and wheat as early as 2030, according to a new NASA study.
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So what are you doing about it?
This requires heavy involvement in politics. Revolution won’t hack it. Bleating won’t hack it.
This requires heavy involvement in politics. Revolution won’t hack it. Bleating won’t hack it.
These type of data go out of date really quicklyGlobal Climate Change Impact on Crops Expected Within 10 Years, NASA Study Finds – Climate Change: Vital Signs of the Planet
Climate change may affect the production of maize (corn) and wheat as early as 2030, according to a new NASA study.climate.nasa.gov
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Well, we have tried lobbying, that's failed.
We have tried COP (lots of them), that's failed.
We will pass 1.5°C next year due to our proximity to the sun Milankovich cycle & super El Nino.
You are spot on saying that it needs political /policy action. We have climate deniers running the country..
If you look at what Hansen says. Things are not optimistic.
Like I have already said there's little we can do but plan for civilisation collapse?
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We can farm within a wide range of niches, with the potential for a very wide range of species. At present we choose to use only a few of them, and we choose to grow where we can use machinery.
The old caschrom (foot plough) worked enough small patches of land that the highlands were full of people and well fed people at that.
Now nothing grows there but grouse moors....
Repeat right across much of Europe.
