Skill and dedication - nah - I just hate spending money and talk it up to be a virtue
agree on the theory - oh yes Bushcraft equipment
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Skill and dedication - nah - I just hate spending money and talk it up to be a virtue
agree on the theory - oh yes 
It's a Merc Vito actually, got a bit of rust here and there and the plastic bits are starting to fall off now but otherwise pretty sound.
It just annoys me how everyone says get a newer vehicle to be more eco. friendly when the best thing for the environment is that we get as much life as possible out of the resources we have already started using.
My Transit had a great engine but rust ate the chassis and suspention points for the springs.
My Peugot Boxer had great bodywork but died from a carp gearbox and clutch, plus a bit of rust on the chassis.
My Metro van died from rotting bodywork - why cant some manufacturer get the combo of body, chassis and engine right?
Or is it deliberate to sell more vehicles?
Not that I am cynical or anything...... but it seems that everything is built to fall apart in short order....
My Peugot Boxer had great bodywork but died from a carp gearbox and clutch, plus a bit of rust on the chassis.
My Metro van died from rotting bodywork - why cant some manufacturer get the combo of body, chassis and engine right?
Or is it deliberate to sell more vehicles?
Not that I am cynical or anything...... but it seems that everything is built to fall apart in short order....
i think the op is way off the mark anyway, if truly going native where would the bacon and flour have come from? they would need to be aquired on route from source also.
as for my view, you can't tell me that these ice men that get thawed out with spear, arrows and bow and firelighting kit would trun their nose up to a duvet jacket and goretex boots if offered? surely mans interaction with the envirionment has always been dictaed by his mastering of tools and manipulation of that environment. we're a tropical species, its only thru clothing and firemaking we have been able to progress further north anyhow? this is why primitive skills are in decline anyway in tribes etc as our knowledge of tool making and equipment increases all the time. why spend time making a loin cloth when your grandson goes down river in a motor boat once a week and goes to the market and you can wear some knocked off levis and a bolex on yr wrist.
i thinkn of the 'bushcraft' purely as a loose grouping of skills, from hunting thru to living off the land, camp craft and emergency survival, but more improtantly 'more input'. knowldege is most important and no learning is wasted. and theres an infinite amout of stuff to learn about 'the outdoors'. why turn yr back on millions of years of evolution just to fit a label. there are no points for being uncomfortable, use what you can to enjoy it more.
was the bacon rind on? or had that been trimmed too?
as for my view, you can't tell me that these ice men that get thawed out with spear, arrows and bow and firelighting kit would trun their nose up to a duvet jacket and goretex boots if offered? surely mans interaction with the envirionment has always been dictaed by his mastering of tools and manipulation of that environment. we're a tropical species, its only thru clothing and firemaking we have been able to progress further north anyhow? this is why primitive skills are in decline anyway in tribes etc as our knowledge of tool making and equipment increases all the time. why spend time making a loin cloth when your grandson goes down river in a motor boat once a week and goes to the market and you can wear some knocked off levis and a bolex on yr wrist.
i thinkn of the 'bushcraft' purely as a loose grouping of skills, from hunting thru to living off the land, camp craft and emergency survival, but more improtantly 'more input'. knowldege is most important and no learning is wasted. and theres an infinite amout of stuff to learn about 'the outdoors'. why turn yr back on millions of years of evolution just to fit a label. there are no points for being uncomfortable, use what you can to enjoy it more.
was the bacon rind on? or had that been trimmed too?
I assosciate bushcraft with fieldcraft. It is a whole load of skills that are to be used in the bush. I use my bushcraft skills when tracking, when camping, when out for a hike, etc...
I could go out with nothing and knock a flake of stone off for a knife and make my shelter and fire from natural materials and have done. Or I could carry in my shelter and stove, etc and concentrate on hunting, tracking or wood crafting, etc. It all depends on what I want to spend my time on.
I spend a huge amount of time studying Chalcolithic skills and make bows, bone and flint tools, but sometimes I want to go observe some deer and track them to see what they do and understand them better and having modern tools make that easier. Doesn't mean that tracking said deer isn't bushcraft.
I think that bushcraft is a huge umberella covering a massive amount of skills.
Nobody would accuse Mors or Ray or any of the other big names of not practicing bushcraft would they?
I tend to keep my vehicles until the wheels fall of of them too. Not particularly for the environment's sake but like John I too hate to spend money. Add to that how my vehicle becomes familiar (I carry a good bit of gear stuffed away in various nooks and crannies in the vehicle) which makes changing vehicles very much like moving to a new office; I'd rather take a beating.
I cain't agree with the opinions that modern vehicles wear out to soon though; not when taken by comparison at any rate. When I first started driving (in about 1968) if a car got 80,000 miles before wearing out it was a significant event. In the last 15 years or so I've had a set of tires last that long and it's rare for a car to last less than 200,000 here (I expect much longer over there where diesel engines are more prevalent)
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Bushcrafter (boy, I've got a lot to say!)
Well I just followed Sir Ray.
He said Mora I got Mora.
He said tarp and I got one
and so on.
He said it was bushcraft and I believed it was.
Have I been deceived?
He said Mora I got Mora.
He said tarp and I got one
and so on.
He said it was bushcraft and I believed it was.
Have I been deceived?
'Bushcraft', 'Wilderness Survival Skills' etc.. whatever you call is THE KNOWLEDGE IN YOU HEAD, not what tools or kit you have with you. Lots of people dont get that simple truth.
There is a bunch of people who thing that if they go out with less gear or rubbish equipment then they are somehow better than the rest of us. It's one of those recuring threads we get on here all the time. What counts is what you know. Knowing how to make fire 30 different ways, going from caveman tech to using batteries, is much better than saying 'Look at me I only use the bowdrill..'.
Then there is the comfort factor. I could sleep out this weekend in a debris shelter with no blanket to have a wet cold, night & end up covered in bugs. I know how to do it & have done it but I would rather spend the night under a good tarp in my BMBH hammock inside a nice warm sleeping bag.
There is a bunch of people who thing that if they go out with less gear or rubbish equipment then they are somehow better than the rest of us. It's one of those recuring threads we get on here all the time. What counts is what you know. Knowing how to make fire 30 different ways, going from caveman tech to using batteries, is much better than saying 'Look at me I only use the bowdrill..'.
Then there is the comfort factor. I could sleep out this weekend in a debris shelter with no blanket to have a wet cold, night & end up covered in bugs. I know how to do it & have done it but I would rather spend the night under a good tarp in my BMBH hammock inside a nice warm sleeping bag.
i realy dont worry about categorizing bushcraft or whatever you wanna call it, not too bothered about being the most "hardcore" bushcrafter to gain bushcraft points. i just like getting out there, learning skills, sharing skills and enjoying it.
I like the Kit (especialy the sharp stuff) but i cant take much of it, i have no car so i walk to my destination with my comfort items.
somthing to sleep in
somthing to sleep on
somthing to sleep under
somthing to cook in
somthing to cut with
somthing to make sparks with
somthing to eat
somthing to treat wounds with
and somthing to drink..
a book and ipod too odviously.
i dont think woodcraft skills are to be boasted about, they should be enjoyed and shared.
I like the Kit (especialy the sharp stuff) but i cant take much of it, i have no car so i walk to my destination with my comfort items.
somthing to sleep in
somthing to sleep on
somthing to sleep under
somthing to cook in
somthing to cut with
somthing to make sparks with
somthing to eat
somthing to treat wounds with
and somthing to drink..
a book and ipod too odviously.
i dont think woodcraft skills are to be boasted about, they should be enjoyed and shared.
I agree, perhaps not about the iPod, but the general, but with the deep-seated enthusiasm for being out in the woods or the wilds as being the biggest source of pleasure. Labelling the bits and pieces that you take with you as 'bushcraft tools' is pretty nonsensical - they are things that you have chosen to take with you and use in, perhaps, a 'bushcraft' context.
I suppose one of the things I always try and do is take as little as possible while remaining safe and relatively comfortable. As Siberian Fury says, perhaps the greatest pleasure lies in sharing the time in the woods or wilds with folk (ideally not too many!) who share my love of the outdoors.
+1 on that neumo.
i remember at work having a discussion about wealth and in particular the oxygen thieves who get paid in a week what i earn in 5 years just for kicking a football about and sleeping with old grannies. yes rooney i do mean you!
my point was that these people have no discernable life skills ie hunting, carpentry, medical knowledge etc etc and if a cataclysmic event happened where all the electrical gadgets ceased to function, money had no meaning etc and we were effectively put back in the stone age they would be as much use as a chocolate teapot.
the richest people in the world in that scenario would be the ones with the skills to help keep themselves and others in good health, with a roof over their heads and food for the table.
unfortunately my wealth of knowledge in that scenario would be just enough to provide shelter/food/ and fire but i would be a long way from comfortable lol
I couldn't agree with you there my good man, I read recently about the footballer chap who is attempting to develop an eco-home, they are not all lacking in the skills required.
Of course, my observation does not neatly follow the bushcraftier-than-thou attitude that haunts the forum, so I expect others to continue with the blanket disparaging remarks on our sportsmen...
Time to stir this one up a bit.
The way I go bushcrafting is the correct way in every meaning of the word.
There we go sort that one out.
Not unless you use a Primus stove its not.
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